Saudi Arabia: Khalid Ali M. Aldawsari – Why?

On the 23rd of February Khalid Ali M. Aldawsari was arrested by the FBI in Texas on a federal charge of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.  Aldawsari is a 20 year old student from Al Kharj, Saudi Arabia.  He has been in the United States on a student visa since September 2008 sponsored on a scholarship by SABIC, one of the world’s leading manufacturers of chemicals, fertilizers, plastics and metals.

A chilling picture is emerging of Aldawsari.  His intent to commit acts of terror against the United States on its soil fermented while he was in his teens and a student in high school in his homeland of Saudi Arabia.  A paragraph from Aldawsari’s journal gives alarming indications to the inner workings of his mind. He wrote that he (purposely) excelled in his studies while in high school in order to take advantage of the opportunity to receive a scholarship to America.  To Aldawsari, the scholarship was a necessary springboard for him to launch his plan to master the English language, learn how to (sic) build explosives, and then target the infidel Americans. It was to be his time for Jihad.

Aldawsari, who studied chemistry while at Texas Tech University in Lubbock, knew which ingredients he had to acquire in order to fabricate a weapon of mass destruction.  He had already procured quantities of sulfuric acid and nitric acid.  However, when he attempted to purchase phenol from Carolina Biological Supply, a company located in Burlington, North Carolina, his actions were reported to the FBI.  Aldawsari first attempted to have his order of phenol placed through the company’s web site shipped to a residential address. Carolina Biological Supply refused to ship to a residential address and Aldawsari tried again to receive his phenol order but now through the services of a freight firm in Lubbock.  The freight firm reported Aldawsari to local police which ultimately culminated in his arrest on 23 February by Texas FBI agents. Aldawsari will remain in the custody of US law enforcement in Texas until his detention hearing which is scheduled for 11 March 2011.

Aldawsari is behind bars but his intentions of Jihad and martyrdom raise numerous questions.  Who is Khalid Ali M. Aldawsari exactly?  Who is his family? What caused such over-boiling hatred in him while he was still in his teens and a high school student?  Could some of his hatred for America have derived from his home town of Al Kharj hosting some of the coalition forces during the first Gulf War?  How many other Aldawsari’s might be out there?

The arrest of Aldawsari has far reaching implications that go far beyond the future of Saudi student scholarship programs abroad.  The relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia remains strong.  U.S. law enforcement responded quickly for the apprehension of Aldawsari and with full cooperation from Saudi officials. However this incident does bring up the rhetoric again of questions and feelings of mistrust towards Saudi Arabia, Islam and Muslims.  How should American citizens remain vigilant in today’s turbulent times without over-reacting such as in the aftermath of 9/11 and now in the aftermath of Khalid Ali M. Aldawsari?

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211 Responses

  1. Religious indoctrination from kindergarten through university and Saudi mosques and media relentless condemnation of America, its democratic values and policies in the Middle East play major role in the shaping of Saudi character and perceptions of the US and its people.

    Saudi students are told not to embrace American culture and values before they leave Saudi Arabia.

    One has to wonder as to how many of the 40 or so thousand Saudi students in the US share Aldawsari’s hate for the US, its democracy and people.

    He was only one year old during the first gulf War.

  2. sadly I think with enough of these guys coming to light, Americans and westerners are going to become less concerned with vigilence and fairness and take a much more “protect ourselves” attitude and view saudis with a more critical eye. It isn’t fair to be sure, but at some point people don’t care about fairness and being politically correct and will take a better “safe than sorry” attitude. I hope it doesn’t come to that and I don’t think that we are there, but if they come to light more and more it might. 😦

  3. He said that he was inspired by Osama bin Laden’s words. I wonder if there are any people in the Saudi System that are interested in your questions and willing to make any necessary changes as causes are determined.

  4. timothy mcveigh, unabomber, and every other american in the states wishing the government harm [i was onced asked by some inlaws if i liked my president, i said ‘yes’, i could have said anything. too many americans hate their government to the point of not getting ss cards, enrolling in public schools to immunization. there are kids born and they are not known by the government.. weird but true.
    i don’t think this guy sat with osama b. for one minute. maybe he was inspired by mr.b’s media propaganda….but weren’t we all?

  5. We were all inspired by mr. b’s media propaganda? Really? How do you figure?

  6. There are a lot of reasons to dislike the US, one wonders why it real hatred is so common with Arabs and other Muslims? Other people with very good reasons (ie: native Americans, African Americans, German survivors of WWII bombings) aren’t filled with hatred. Compared to these people Arabs and Muslims have been far less injured.

  7. @Jerry,
    I think it’s the terrible suffering the Palestinians go through with the support of the US. US news media barely covers this. Also, when we get into a situation where we decide to “liberate” people – we are pretty cavalier about “collateral” damage. We come accross as a murderous bully at times.

    That said, if Israel dissappeared tomorrow and the US minded it’s own business there isn’t a lot of reason to think the life of the average Arab would improve. And it is Arabs more than Muslims in general- though obviously there is overlap and overflow. But the Arab Christians have been treated badly by the western supported powers as well- and now they’re also badly treated by the extreme Muslims so I feel very sorry for them.

    Native Americans and African Americans today have many, many opportunities if they chose to take them. Essentially they lost and were conquered long ago. It’s the way of the world and it’s their choice to try to cling to what should have been. Harsh, I know. German survivors of WWII bombings should just be glad they survived. Why should they be mad at the US? The US stayed out of it for a long time.

  8. @Sandy-‘ Essentially they lost and were conquered long ago. It’s the way of the world and it’s their choice to try to cling to what should have been. Harsh, I know.’

    It’s ok if I say that about the Palestinians too, right?

  9. @Sandy

    The Saudis haven’t been directly injured (of course they may interpret this differently than I). Palestinians themselves don’t seem to feel killing Americans is god’s work.

  10. @Lynn,
    Actually I know people alive today that still have the keys to their house that someone else is living in. But yes, in a sense you could still say it. But then everyone should say it. Israel should say they conquered and that “might makes right” not whine on about their “right to exist”. What country has a “right to exist”?

    @Jerry,
    Yes you are right. That is the overlap I am talking about however. Arabs feel a bond with each other and so do Muslims. Also, many people here personally know people who have been barbarically killed or maimed. Or have friends who’s relatives have. Inclulding me. It does make a difference in how one feels. Add that to seeing the images we sometimes see and it makes even more of one. I am not saying how much these things SHOULD matter. I am saying that the fact is that they do.

    Also, though this may be hard to believe, Saudi’s generally were pretty fond of the US until the W. Bush presidency. They didn’t want to accept that their people had committed such horrific crimes and many bristled at OBL being called a Saudi when he’d been stripped of citizenship years before. Many are still in denial and prefer conspiracy theories. The average Saudi in my experience became more unhappy with the US after 9-11, especially with regard to Iraq.

  11. @Gia,
    I too would like to know how “we all” were inspired by Mr. B’s propagand? I can’t recall ever feeling that way.

  12. What does it matter that they have keys to the house they used to live in? So? Why should they hold on to keys instead of moving on and making something of their lives? What would the Middle East be like today had they just accepted defeat and let Israel exist and live in peace rather than holding on to all that hate, raising their children on it and causing Israel to have to constantly be on the defensive? What would it have been like had the Arab countries that lost the war would have just accepted their brothers, the Palestinians, into their countries and made them feel welcome and accepted? I think it is HORRIFIC that there are Palesinian refugee camps in existence all these decades later. I thank goodness that I wasn’t raised in an Irish Refugee camp!!

  13. Quote: One wonders why it real hatred is so common with Arabs and other Muslims?

    One word:

    Islam

    Sometimes I wonder if I am the only person here that has read the Quran.

  14. No Jay, I read it, oh yeah, I read it!! I got to read the free one that my daughter got from some on-line dawa site. I read it cover to cover and then researched more from there because I couldn’t even believe what I was reading.

  15. @Lynn, I only meant it wasn’t that long ago. And I don’t disagree about the refugee camps. Clearly that strategy has not worked, and there is no evidence to suggest it ever will and people need to move on.

    But without getting way into it, at this point- where we are right now- Israel doesn’t want to be reasonable either. There cannot be a 2-state solution if one state maintains settlements in the other. It simply doesn’t work. Sometimes I think it would be best for the Palestinians to opt for a one state solution. Let Israel have them all. Then we’ll see the how the one democracy in the ME handles it’s democracy.

    The “Democratic” country that claims all citizens even it’s Arab ones are given the same rights. Well in Hebrew there are two words for this. “Citizneship Rights” and “Nationality Rights”. But for western consumption they just talk about “Citizens” being equal. However with regard to “Nationality Rights” Jewish Nationals have MANY more rights than their Arab National counterparts

    Even Israel doesn’t want a one state solution. They want to displace EVERYONE or occupy. It seems to be what works for them. Israel is NOT constantly on the defensive, but this is probably a futile discussion for us to have.

    I too, am glad I was not raised in an Irish refugee camp.

  16. @Lynn,
    Why should the Palestinians go live in someone elses country even if they are conquered? We didn’t ship off the Native Americans. We just ruled.

  17. The Palesinians didn’t get shipped off, they left with the promise from the Arabs that they would get rid of the Jews.

    How could israel not be constantly on the defensive? I would feel constantly on the defensive if my neighbors’ were constantly plotting to kill me and raising their children to think that martyrdom is the ultimate. Wouldn’t you?

  18. Let me elaborate. Of course, there are good Muslims. They just want to live in peace and have a life. It takes more than just reading the Quran to get a Aldawsari. It takes what we call the X factor. X can be many things: rage, frustration, loneliness, gullibility, low intelligence, sexual fantasies, blind religious fanaticism, maybe even a deep sense of social justice, or several of these together. By itself, the Quran is just a book, printed paper. Harmless. However, a child then gets fed a steady diet by parents, schools, media, mosque saying that a: the Quran is the perfect word of Allah and must be followed, and b. Non-Muslims are evil creatures that only live to torment Muslims. This is a very bad diet, and it varies tremendously from Muslim to Muslim. Some get fat with hate and rage, some are immune.

    One thing is certain: there are only two major themes in the Quran: 1. Allah is god and Mohammad is prophet, and 2. Non believers are evil. As I have said before, the difference between the Bible and the Quran explains a lot of, but not all, of the differences in mentality between Western Judeo-Christian civilizations and Islamic ones: The Bible is about sin and redemption, while the Quran stresses belief vs. unbelief. That is why we have the 10 commandments (and a bunch more in the Bible) while the Quran takes a different approach based upon rituals and commands specific to Muslims. That is a simplification, of course, but there is a difference between the two books and I believe it has consequences, very serious ones. (Of course, let me add that the Old Testament is very different from the New. In many ways the Children of Israel are like Muslims, special, chosen, etc but in the OT it is the Jews that have sinned and brought evil upon themselves).

    The very nature of Islam also contributes to this: it is an all or none religion. Either it is the absolute truth and perfect, or it is a big lie. The problem then for many Muslims is that they must defend it ad absurdum. To admit that Islam has inconsistencies or that Mohammad was a very bad boy at times is to say that it is not perfect which is heresy. That is why it is so easy to throw rocks at people that live in glass houses, like MD here:
    http://americanbedu.com/2011/02/11/saudi-arabiaworld-what-exactly-is-a-muslim-students-association/
    Also, that is why even good Muslims usually will not speak up about these issues, particularly in Muslims societies. They just shake their heads and let it go. Anyway, that is how I see it.

    That is why the problem is just more than asking Imams to not curse infidels or removing pages from textbooks – the dilemma is much deeper.

  19. Jay, I don’t quite agree with your analysis: The reason the ”judeo-christian” societies of the west are less aggressive and less out to murder everybody who disagrees, and why preachers are, on the whole, less out to preach death and murder from the pulpits is because our Western societies are secular .

    Christianity does not have the power it used to have in the Dark Ages.
    Look at what Europe was when religion had full sway: An region full of oppression, witch burnings ,heretic burnings, religious wars, immense poverty, huge devastating epidemics, and no improvement of peoples positions, hardly any improvement in sciences but instead a wallowing in magical practices.

    We are where we are because of religion losing it’s power over our countries, our lives and our minds.

    If Christianity was still in full power in the west how do you think our countries would look? We would not have made any significant scientific and medical progress, we would have Deuteronomy at the basis of our ”law”system. (ever read Deuteronomy? quite as nasty as sharia) Women would be forced to veil and not allowed to speak to men unless spoken to, anybody who had a different opinion and spoke it would be tortured to death. Everybody but a small elite would be poor, sick and overworked, if not out to kill and destroy anybody else who had a different faith, etc etc. etc.

    We are a civilized and developed technological society because our ancestors woke up and escaped from the shackles of the church.
    The Middle East is still fully shackled by Islam; that is where the main difference lies.

  20. @Lynn,
    Everything you say is true but incomplete. Some of them left on the promise you mentioned and some of them were forced out. To tell only half suggest the others were welcome to stay.

    The average Israeli OF COURSE is not comfortable because SOME but not all of their neighbors are as you describe and SOME but not ALL of their fellow countrymen are the same. I don’t think the average Israeli is getting what they want or deserve from their own government either.

    I live in one of the neighbor countries and am Muslim and have raised Muslim children. I can assure you that I have no violent tendencies towards Israel nor have my grown children ever exhibited them. I get pretty pissed at their policies sometimes. So to, do many many Jews.

    Especially as they more and more realize that the far-right Christian support from the west is about Jesus coming and Armegeddon and not out of any real love for them. Many are uncomfortable with the “friendship” because the money and influence coming with it is about Armegeddon not peace. Of course the far right Israeli wing-nuts don ‘t mind it- they’re pretty war-minded as well.

    All the people on both sides who want peace are being ill-served by many of their leaders and the world community.

    @Aafke,
    I agree with you. I really believe in separation of Church (or Mosque) and State.

  21. Great exchange of thinking, people. Very informative!

    I’ve always wondered about the 50-plus year existence of Palestinian camps. With neighboring wealthy Arab/Muslim countries right at their borders, why have these countries never reached out to HELP Palestinians create new homes, new communities, new jobs, new lives?

    Why haven’t the wealthy Muslim countries helped the destitute Muslim Palestinians? With all the money available, why are there still tent cities in Palestine?

    At times, millions of people have had to re-create their lives. Just look at the European displaced people after World War II and you’ll read amazing stories.

    Are the displaced Palestinians kept in their camps just to keep the anger going? It seems such a futile attempt at life — raise your sons (even daughters!!) to blow themselves up? Be a proud mother because you’ve had 5 sons blow themselves up? Is there no desire to live a life with children, their futures and yours, jobs, even, …..how did that happen… some HAPPINESS and contentment? Does the desire to exterminiate Israel remain their only goal in life? That seems so very sad.

    I find that so incomprehensible to understand — letting the anger from yesteryear take over and control the future of you and your family….

    Am I out of touch? Maybe it’s the thinking that in America, we are one huge blending of nationalities. There’s been awful events in our past that we are ashamed when we think about it. Not only the Indian treatment, but treatment of Chinese, Japanese on the early West Coast history and during WWII, and the treatment of the Irish on the East Coast was brutal (“Irish need not apply”, etc.), and let’s not go into the slavery history, which was awful and tragic. But, most of us have put the history where it belongs — in the past.

    As we live, mix, marry and procreate, we blend into a huge cauldron of the category “Americans”. We are willing to look to the future and make the best we can. My history is Scot, English and Portuguese, my “nice half” is English, Welsh and German. I have black, white, Japanese and Chinese friends, plus hundreds of women I don’t even know where they came from! My best friend has a black son-in-law and 2 half-black granddaughters, no big deal to all concerned.

    Look at the Serbians and Croatians — they’re still killing each other because of terrible things done to one or the other some 900 years ago!

    Will our world drift into that? It seems such a tragic waste of human life, energy, capabilities and imagination.

    Why is “tolerance of other religions” such a difficult concept? We have hundreds of religions in this country, some of them downright weird (snake charming, wikken witch ceremonies), but our laws give them that privilege and it’s like…oh well, to most of us.

    The ONLY religion that most of us are afraid of is the radical view of fundamental Islamists who tell us “convert or die”. To us, that’s extremeism to the max, and it’s so hard for us to understand.

    Bless you all.

  22. The “only” religion most of “us” are afraid of? Who’s “us”??? I know many, many Muslims are scared of Christians. And are scared of Jews. I know Palestinian Christians are scared of Jews AND Muslims.

    There are lots of people scared of others. I am scared of any extremist and there are many religious extremists funding violence that are not Muslim- ie Evangelical Christians sending money to the Israeli hawks because they want Armegeddon not peace. And Israeli hawks like occupation and war because it gives them more power than peace.

    No Palestinians are not all just wanting to exterminate Israel. Some want to return to the homes they’ve been forced out of. I don’t know anyone who has had a son blow themselves up- nor do I know anyone who’d be proud to have one. The vast majority of Muslims would find it unthinkable.

    I know many Saudi’s of Palestinian origin. So apparently they DO take some in.

    Many live in tents because their finer homes were bull-dozed by the IDF. How many times exactly should people fund a rebuild?

    Who do you think should take in the Christian Palestinians?

  23. Well, as i read, comes to mind the satellite photos, and the brazen insistence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction!
    So insistent were those “facts” that a war was waged on a people, destroying families, land, culture and life. Then, NO weapons!!
    In this scenario, this young man is being charged, with similar ‘facts’, by people who have weapons of mass destruction and who have actually and really waged a destructive war against civilians. What does terrorism mean anyway?? bombing masses indiscriminately? maiming and killing without being a member of the USA military??
    Who is the criminal?

  24. I am going to throw in my two cents worth. I had a very good Palestinian friend some years back who told me the story from his family’s eyes. He and his family were in the USA but they were only the first generation. according to him the Brits came to the Palestinians and asked them if they could resettle Jews in the country. The Palestinians were OK with that because Jews had lived there for centuries among the Arabs, they were supposed to be PAID for the land and livestock and other things they gave up and mostly it was supposed to be a somewhat charitable act where the Jews came into the country and were given the right to live side by side with the Palestinians. It was supposed to be voluntary for the Palestinians to share their land. It they chose not to they didn’t have to. Where it went south according to my friend is that the Jews came in and took over the land. My friend’s Uncle’s house was confiscated and he was tossed out and a Jewish family moved in. They took his land and property. On top of all that his uncle never got paid as he had been told he would.

    So what was supposed to be an equitable “split” turned into a very unfair domination.

    This is at least how he and his family say it happened and remember it. If his story is true, I can totally understand them being really hacked off. who wouldn’t?

  25. Why would the Palestinians have to go settle somewhere else??
    It’s their land ,their houses that were and are still stolen,Just because people felt that after the holocaust they were sorry and had to make it up to the jews by giving them a land! So lets get rid of the people living on that land, they don’t matter!!
    Can’t people see the harm that is being done by a nation not even recognizing the UN recommendations??

  26. oby
    i don’t think that is the story. the meanest of the jews are not of arab descent in palastine as of now. they are of european and american. after the holocaust, the german jews wanted to go to palestine [to be given land to settle and live]. the american president at the time was also talking with the saudi king on the matter, and he highly recommended giving the german jews the best of the land in germany. but they wanted palestine, and got it and at the same time that american president somehow died because he sided with the saudi king on giving the jews land in germany. anyway, that is probably not true either, but sounds good.

  27. @Sandy – ‘To tell only half suggest the others were welcome to stay’

    Some DID stay, didn’t they? Some are even members of the Israeli government today. How did that happen if what you say is the ‘complete’ story? Yes, the situation is very complex now after all the ugly history during their ‘wars’ but what if, what IF the Arabs had handled things differently, what IF there weren’t those waging perpetual war against anything Israeli or Jewish? What IF they decided, today, to put the past behind them and choose peace?

    I think that it what you have to say about the right wing Christians supporting Israel for the purpose of Armageddon may be true BUT that is not the reason why the world supports Israel’s right to exist and it is not the basis of the US’ support for Israel’s right to exist.

    Also, I have no doubt that what you say is true and that you and your family have no violent tendencies towards Jews or Israel but I’m willing to bet that if they hooked y’all up to brain monitors the emotional response to a picture of an Israeli flag would show stronger than a reaction to any other flag.

    When my daughter was becoming Muslim why do you think it is that she felt she had to show hatred towards Jews to be accepted? I think you would be hard pressed to find a new convert to Islam that doesn’t have a very strong opinion on Israel and that is even if they were not historically or politically inclined before their conversions. Why do you think that is?

  28. @ Sandra: How would we define extremists? People who see themselves as the only one that are privileged and all others are in the wrong. They are the right, the chosen, the humans and all others are below humans, hence they may kill them, rob them, as they are subhumans.
    All these are not part of any religion, not part of judaism, though there is zionism, not part of chirstianity though we have the KKK and before that the spanish inquisition, not part of islam though there are muslim groups who see all other groups are going to hell except them.
    All religions come from the one creator in different times to different people with the same message of morality, compassion and being good to each other. It is not religion, but a type of racism.

  29. Dr Nassef, yep, racism, that IS pretty much what religions are. Do you know of any religion that teaches that someone of a different faith is on the ‘right path’?

  30. I really enjoyed this documentary when it was on the BBC, this is the you tube link
    Watch all parts!

    There was a lot of nasty politics going on.

    And I think that in modern times it suits the other Arab nations very well to play the Palestinians as a displaced people whom they can use to stir conflict as well as use them and their plight to deflect their own peoples attention from their own disastrous governments.
    As I understand Jordan is the only Arab nation which really accepted Palestinian refugees and gave the status.

  31. @Lynn,
    I definately agree that the Arabs could have done things differently. So could the Israeli’s.

    I’d take that bet about your brain monitor thing. Sure maybe if I’d just seen pictures of Palestinian school children that had been slaughtered by IDF, or an American peace activist run over by a bulldozer or the bombing of a US warship I’d lose, but otherwise I’m pretty sure I’d win.

    You, like me, are colored by your own experiences. Not all converts have to hate Jews the way your daughter did. It depends on what group of Muslims you want to fit in with. People make their choice about who they want to fit in with, and who they feel they need to impress.

    @Aafke,
    I know several Saudi’s of Palestinian origin. But I think Jordan took in many more. Arabs do play the Palestinians as a displaced people- but it’s easy to do because they ARE a displaced people.

  32. Folks need to remember that the whole us vs them mindset as well as the mandate to hate and destroy non-Muslims is at the heart of Islam – which surely predates any Palestinian refugee camp! As the previous commenter says, the Palestinian issue is being used by Islamists to keep folks emotionally invested in something other than their own misery.

  33. Sandy, I have spent a lot of time researching converts and their conversion stories etc and there is a definite pattern that I have seen and the opinion on the Palestine/Israel/Jewish issue is one that rarely differs.

  34. @Lynn,
    An opinion is different then active hate, or an inability to see in other than black and white. But I don’t deny there is a strand of converts that match with a strand of born Muslims that fit your description. But there is more than one arch-type.

    And I haven’t said so before- but I really hope your daughter comes around. She really did end up with a bad crowd, and hopefully with some maturity she’ll realize how unbalanced and unkind some of her views and actions are.

    @SGIME
    “Folks need to remember that the whole us vs them mindset as well as the mandate to hate and destroy non-Muslims is at the heart of Islam”

    As a Muslim I find that highly offensive.

  35. SGIME: Folks need to remember that the whole us vs them mindset as well as the mandate to hate and destroy non-Muslims is at the heart of Islam – …”

    … And it starts at kindergarten in the madrassas funded by the saudis in their world-wide quest to institutionalize wahabbism. As a cover-up, saudi king
    goes around pushing inter-faith dialogue.

    Sickening!

  36. @ Harry, you are confusing muslim schools with that of jews in Israel.
    In all what may be called islamic countries there are christians who would be very unhappy if you considered them a minority.
    It is really sickening to see you propagate that ‘Bushian” ignorant bullshit.
    Be smart and dont be used to propagate lies that only serve to show the deeply rooted racism against a religion that honors Moses, Mary and Jesus.
    ” if you kill one being is as if you killed the whole human race” <<< ISLAM

  37. By the way: schools in Arabic is “madaris’… Madras is a city in India.
    Just as a reminder: If you follow the news you would know that in the EGYPTIAN revolution, the CHRISTIANS formed a circle around the muslims while they prayed to protect them on Friday. On sunday, they had mass in Tahrir square and were protected by a ring of muslims around them.
    and i repeat.. what you said is SICK!! ignorance always is.

  38. Quote: In all what may be called islamic countries there are christians who would be very unhappy if you considered them a minority

    Are you kidding? Do you really know what goes on in Islamic countries? Do you think that non-Muslims or even some minority sects of Muslims like to be abused?

    All I can say is get your head out of …. whatever

    PS: As to the Copts and Egypt, it is not over yet. There are still laws on the books that actively discriminate against Christians! I hope it works out for the good of the Egyptian people but so far all we have is another military coup. Been there, seen that!

    The questions is always the same: When are Muslims going to take responsibility for the evil they do, and change their ways? Two days after never?

  39. ” if you kill one being is as if you killed the whole human race” <<< ISLAM

    Oh yes indeed! Another favorite of mine is "islam is religion of peace" ….

  40. “How should American citizens remain vigilant in today’s turbulent times without over-reacting such as in the aftermath of 9/11 and now in the aftermath of Khalid Ali M. Aldawsari?”

    Same way I deal with all press like this- I simply respect it for what it is and go on with my daily life. If I want to catch up on world events, I check the internet. I research on my own. I use my own critical thinking skills. If something doesn’t make sense, there’s probably a reason for it.

    I think the best thing to do to remain vigilant is to be sensible. In this case, the company was being sensible when they reported someone ordering chemicals for shipment to a home address.

    What scares me more than this is the ongoing crime in places like El Paso, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. What scares me more is wondering if I go to certain inner cities and/or crime-ridden cities in the US, what are my chances of getting shot at, mugged, and/or raped? Because these sorts of things happen on a regular basis in some places. It scares me more than the handful of crazies out there that end up getting caught.

    All the Saudi students I’ve ever met love the United States. Just because one person appears to be a psychopath doesn’t mean we should hate all others with the same ethnic/religious/etc. background.

    As for people stating that Islam isn’t a religion of peace, then all I can say is this: You’re right. It’s not, according to your logic. But then in that case, neither are Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, Zoroastrian, Hindu religion, etc. Or even Atheists, for that matter. Let’s not start pointing fingers, shall we? Because if so, we’re all going to get poked.

  41. Just to clarify: Israelis are not all Jews, and not all Jews are Israelis. Please don’t confuse a religion with a nationality. While many people in the Middle East are against the state of Israel and the crimes Israel committed against the Palestinians (some of which are quite horrible), most don’t seem to have a problem with people of the Jewish religion.

  42. @StrangeOne,

    Reading history is really a good thing. Try it, and you will find out how peaceful Islam is/was. Same for the other Abrahamic religions.

    Trying to say that these 3 aggressive religions are equivalent to others is missing the big elephant in the room. It is just political correctness.

    By the way Islam actually brings this criticism on itself, since Muslims invented this slogan. When people read that and compare it to history, the hypocrisy becomes apparent.

    Note: I know many Egyptian that are peaceful, Saudi’s that are peaceful, Muslims from all over the world that are peaceful, etc. However, you and many others miss the big point. They are peaceful in spite of their religion, because they are humans like the rest of us who want to live a good life.

  43. @MoQ:
    Of course, because NO other religious groups have ever committed major acts of murder in the name of their religion. *Note sarcasm*. I am aware of wars that have been fought in the name of religion. I don’t think I missed any big elephant in the room, other than people’s preconceived notions of the truth. People who commit crimes do it in the name of whatever is important to them. For some, that’s their religion. For others, it’s simply money. Basically, it’s whatever excuse they can use to help themselves sleep better at night. In any case, committing acts of crime against others is ethically and morally wrong no matter the reason.

    If you want to prevent crime, make sure that the poor in a given country are well taken care of and can afford to feed their families. Teach them how to improve their lives to have a better standard of living. Teach them what they need to do in order to quit living in the middle of a war zone (if this applies). Give them hope. Have good laws and law enforcement against people who commit crimes against others in order to hold those who choose to break the laws for whatever reason accountable no matter who they are. For many people, religion provides a good, basic moral compass to live by. I don’t necessarily see religion as a bad thing, Abrahamic religions included.

  44. “If you want to prevent crime, make sure that the poor in a given country are well taken care of and can afford to feed their families.”

    How does the crusade and Futuhat wars of Christianity and Islam fit into your equation.

    Please, read some history and think it over a little before you respond this. Sorry, but i really think you have very little understanding of this topic. Just a few slogans got you going on a soap box.

  45. Just a reminder here to all of the lynch mob above, there is something called due process, the presumption of innocence, where the person is presumed innocent till proven guilty. Let us wait for the trial and then if he is convicted of what he is allegedly accused of, then you can gather your lynch posse and I say lock him up and throw away the key. Just a reminder, they have been times when the FBI got it wrong, remember when they arrested that Lebanese American guy for purchasing a large number of cheap mobile phones from wall mart, he was accused of terrorism, it turned out later that the guy bought the devices so he can resell them for a little extra money.

    And for those who could not wait to attack Islam for this ALLEGED plot, I wonder why when Timothy McVey planted his bomb and killed hundreds of innocent civilians, why wasn’t Christianity brought into question, when Charles Manson and his gang went on a killing spree, why was not Christianity brought into question, when the Irish Republican Army was killing innocent civilians, why wasn’t Christianity brought into question. I as a Muslim individual reject all kind of violence, reject any call for violence, reject all of the teaching that encourages violence, and there are many others like me. Our religion doesn’t call for violence, there are those who try to twist the spirit of Islam for their twisted version of some crazy notion called Jihad. I really hate to see my religion being hijacked by a few, and if it’s true that this kid was planning this monstrosity, it pains me to know that he is from country, he doesn’t represent me, or my country ideals, what a sad thing to happen to a kid who is only two years out of high school, and if it’s true, what a setback for our effort and the country effort in trying to weed this people from amongst our mix, and in its effort to repair the damage post 9/11. And I have to admit, the country work harder and go after those who brainwash these kids, and make them prefer death over life. Those are the people who should be punished the hardest, and should be weeded out from our society. Just let us wait for the trial to begin, and not jump to conclusion, that might have been a result of overzealous FBI agents.

  46. @MoQ:
    I was just giving my opinion. Some days, I talk or comment more than others. The references to caring for the poor was actually related to “inner city” crime which I was saying is more newsworthy than this particular case. If it wasn’t for food stamps and other welfare programs, I’m not sure how some families would have survived! I find it interesting that crimes that are committed on a daily basis (murders, rapes, drive-by shootings, drug-dealing, arms-dealing, robbery, etc.) don’t make the news but this does. If you’d like I could be more specific about the changes I’d like to see happen in these types of cities in the US (since that’s the country I’m familiar with) and the best ways to go about those changes, but that WOULD be a soapbox, and a rather long one at that!

    There has also been violence in the name of Buddhism: http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/slrv.htm . http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?id=118

    There has been violence in the name of Hinduism:
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,213670,00.html

    You are more than welcome to your opinion of how much knowledge I may/may not have on the subjects being discussed. That does not mean I agree with you or that your opinion is based on facts.

  47. anonymous saudi…

    When McVeigh blew up the federal bldg he didn’t do it in the name of Chrisitianity. When the IRA blew people up they didn’t do it in the name of Chrisitianity. When Masson killed he didn’t do it in the name of Chritianity…this guys diaries written by himself talk of jihad…jihad is a holy war (other than the inner personal struggle). The only ones to have a jihad and call it that are Muslims. That is why people see it as a consequense of Islam, because the man himself said so.

  48. Strange One, Yes the three Abrahamic religions are not religions of peace. their dogma, their books, and their imaginary ”words of God” prevent these religions from being peaceful or just. Their ”holy books” support slavery, misogyny and war against people who have different opinions or gods.
    Luckily most people are above that and do not follow these nasty opinions of God anymore. On the whole you see that the more secular a society, the more free from dogma, the better the life the people lead, the more prosperous they are, the more happy they are.

    You cannot be aware of the teachings of the Abrahamic religions and those of, for example, Jainism and Buddhism, otherwise you would not have made such an ignorant statement putting all these religions on the same level on the issue of agressive dogma.

    You are ignorant about atheists as well. Atheists are not a group, have no dogma, and are mostly completely non-aggressive.
    Maybe you don’t understand that an atheist is nothing more than a person who is not convinced that there is one or more omnipotent deities governing the universe, because they don’t see any proof of such beings.
    You certainly can’t call badly written, self-contradicting and archaic books like the Bible Thora and Quran proof of any divine power.

    So please keep the atheists out of this, they are simply non-believers in religious dogmas, and therefore the one group of people you can count on not to blow up other people or their places of worship, or start religious wars.

    Maybe you meant that religious people are all atheists? They all have a myriad of Gods they don’t believe in; they only believe in the one they choose when looking for a religion, or the one their parents told them is The One.
    As far as all the other gods go that are or were worshipped they are atheists.

    I agree fully with Moq: I also know many lovely peaceful religious people, but they are so because despite their dogma, because they are better than the books of their gods.

  49. @Anonymous_Saudi,

    “And I have to admit, the country work harder and go after those who brainwash these kids, and make them prefer death over life.”

    It is your government who is brainwashing the kids. Just look at the books they have been using in schools. Look at the backwards religious leaders they promote to positions of power. Look at the intolerance they support internally against all other religions and other sects of Islam. ETC.

    You are not solving the problem until you find another system.

  50. “And I have to admit, the country work harder and go after those who brainwash these kids, and make them prefer death over life.”

    That’s all the world is asking for. Any suggestions for your government? If you DID have any would they listen to you?

  51. Also, you don’t have to ask us to hold up the lynch mob until after the trial. That is the way our country works. I bet we even give him a free lawyer.

  52. @MoQ
    People in one place of one culture see things differently. Imagine when they are from different places of different cultures, especially from an ancient one as that of the middle east.
    People are different, as fingerprints are within one culture and between cultures.
    We all know that. What we can do here is to put right any misconceptions and wrong ideas that one may have.
    @MoQ, you assume judgment based on knowledge you dont have.
    In one sentence… what you think is about religion is actually about western imperialism that western media dares never to talk about.. mainly ISRAELI atrocities, and this is what really fuels the hatred PLUS the Iraqi buisness….

  53. To conclude, others here and myself are from the middle eastern culture and of islamic faith. Others are from the western world, we can share ideas and knowledge.
    If you think (anyone here who knows themselves) are ‘superior’ in knowing who WE are and what our religion is.. then this blog will not benefit you.
    If you think you are as human as the next person, and are willing to understand and keep your mind above hatred and prejudice, then we can have a ‘name-calling’ free and rich conversation.

  54. @ Oby… Bush said he was beginning a ‘crusade’ when he went to Iraq to wage war… and we all know what that ‘crusade’ did!!
    In case you dont know, the word Jihad means to do your best and struggle against odds. To strive.
    It is an arabic word.
    In islam, the biggest “jihad’ is that struggle against temptations of the self.
    Any one can say anything, the point is, why does the media underline it as if this one person represents billions others?

  55. @Dr. Nassef -‘If you think (anyone here who knows themselves) are ‘superior’ in knowing who WE are and what our religion is.. ‘

    Who is this ‘WE’ that you seem to know? I thought that you said everyone is as individual as their fingerprint? And THAT is the truth and that is why even you, as a Muslim cannot speak for another Muslim or for Islam because there are SO many variations of Muslims depending on where they were raised and how they were taught their religion. If you deny that there are some that are as MoQ describes then YOU are the one that doesn’t know anything and you need to wake up! This kind of denial that these kind of Muslim exist is exactly where the problem is!

    Also, you might note that YOU are the only one calling names here. Just sayin… 😉

  56. Dr. Nassef, I think that you can say that ‘crusade’ and ‘jihad’ are very similar in that both words can mean entirely different things given context.

  57. If you are going to say the only definition of ‘crusade’ is holy war then we must be fair and say the same about Jihad. No?

  58. @Lynn… so why dont you define crusade for us? when was the term first used and what did it imply?

  59. going into iraq or afghan is not considered a war. it is an occupation on the countries

  60. I posted this over on the other thread re: Denial of 9/11 and I thought it fit here as well.

    ‘Harry, Don’t you just wonder how much the culture of conspiracy theories and denials of 9/11 etc help to create people like our newest Jihadi in Texas? In her post about him Carol asks Why? And I think that this topic should be considered.

    So, while I don’t find it personally ‘hurtful’ I DO find it dangerous’

  61. Dr. Nassef, why don’t YOU do the work of finding the etymology of the words crusade and jihad. It doesn’t really matter that much to me. Just as MANY words in MANY languages, what they meant the first time they were spoken may not be the same as today. Correct?

  62. @gia – Whatever…

  63. Please, read some history and think it over a little before you respond this. Sorry, but i really think you have very little understanding of this topic. Just a few slogans got you going on a soap box.

    Dearest StrangeOne,

    I fully agree with the excellent advice MoQ gave you. For starters, here is an excellent link to start you on your journey:

    http://www.prophetofdoom.net

    Harry Guggen
    Seattle, Washington

  64. @strangeone, ‘If you want to prevent crime, make sure that the poor in a given country are well taken care of and can afford to feed their families’

    Osama bin Laden is from a VERY wealthy family. How do you explain him?

    This Khalid kid did well in school, well enough to get a scholarship to study in the US. Why didn’t he think to use his intelligence for helping his people if? Is there ANY evidence to show that he was downtrodden in any way?

  65. @ Lynn… 🙂 seems you volunteered to be the one who my words are directed to. Do you really feel superior to others? You know All that is to know about a culture you dont belong to?? can you speak Arabic as well as we the non-westerners here speak English?
    What you said about Islam is very inaccurate to say the least. People are different yes, but the Quran is one. Do people differ and have different interpretations about a few things.. yes.. but what about the majority??

  66. @Dr. Nassef – ‘What you said about Islam is very inaccurate to say the least. People are different yes, but the Quran is one. Do people differ and have different interpretations about a few things.. yes.. but what about the majority?’

    What, exactly did I say that was wrong? The same thing you just said? The Quran is one but people differ in the interpretation. What about the majority? I have never polled the majority, have you?

  67. @Dr. Nassef – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crusade

    I’m glad you wanted me to look this up. I learned something new!! The term ‘crusade’ wasn’t even USED during the actual Crusades (capitalized as the noun form of the word)!! How about that?

    Now, since Arabic is not my language can you tell me the original use of the word jihad and all it’s possible meanings? While Mohammed was on a jihad to violently rid the Arab world of pagans and those who wanted to stop Islam from spreading did he use the term jihad?

  68. @ Jerry, are you talking about all the muslim countries?? are you talking about all the arab world?
    For me, it is not the ‘american people’ that i hate, but the crimes committed by their politics and troops. Their mass destruction of cultures, homes, families and countries.

  69. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
    The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns, waged by much of Roman Catholic Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire.

  70. http://stevendbennett.wordpress.com/essays/the-first-crusade-and-development-of-holy-war/

    The concept of a “holy war” played an integral role in the development of events leading up to the First Crusade to reclaim the Holy Land. First summoned by Pope Urban II in 1095, the Crusades proved to be a major period of transition and growth in European history.

  71. LOL Dr. Nassef. You didn’t ask me what The Crusades were. You asked me ‘@Lynn… so why dont you define crusade for us? when was the term first used and what did it imply?’

    You don’t even click on my links or read what I write? WTH? Pretty pointless having a discussion with you then eh? LOL

  72. @ Dr. Nassef – ‘Their mass destruction of cultures, homes, families and countries’

    You have a problem with the way the world and it’s cultures were and are created? Was the Arab world the same after Islamic Imperialism or did it change? What was the purpose of The Crusades? Was it to free The Holy Land from the Islamic Jihadists? LOL

  73. ‘Well, as i read, comes to mind the satellite photos, and the brazen insistence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction’

    Where did that info come from and who was it that wanted us to believe that Saddam was a danger to the world? They didn’t just make this stuff up, it was given to them by Iraqis (read: Arab, Muslim, conspiracy theorist) who wanted Saddam out. 8-l

    Now, if you want to talk about whether or not Saddam was a bad, evil, dangerous man you might want to talk to some of his countrymen who lived through his tyranny or the family members (if there even are any left) of those found in the many mass graves in Iraq. So what exactly is your point? That we should never, ever trust any place where disinformation (like conspiracy theories) comes from?

  74. @ Sandy… Intelligently thought through. You are right, but let me add: the images that you ‘sometimes’ see, we see all the time, why they are blocked in the western media can be easily deduced with some free minded thinking.
    You are right again about how we view the USA, we think that most americans are really decent people, we however hate the blind support for israelis crimes and also the ignorant BUSHIAN liar.

  75. Where did that info come from and who was it that wanted us to believe that Saddam was a danger to the world?
    @ LYnn.. yes who i wonder?? who kept saying ‘bomb baghdad”?? to the extent it was made a joke of??/
    This CRIMINAL must be put on TRIAL infront of all the orphaned children, the maimed men and the basic human goodness. He is no different from HITLER. I wont defend Saddam, he was a servant to american policy.

  76. @ Lynn, during that time.. Jerusalem was under islamic rule. All religions were respected and the people LIVED, till the ‘crusaders’ came.
    You were very upset when i pointed out that you did not know the meaning of the word… so either understand what you are saying or dont use the word.

  77. Again, at that time, the term “jihadist” was not used in the sense that your media is now putting it forward like it was a group of assassins. They were muslims who ruled by islamic law. Under that law, all religions are to be respected. The key keeper to the church of birth was a muslim, his great grandsons and family still have those keys…
    Listen… dont let hate cloud your sense of factual thinking. You dont know me or islam for that matter. why dont you ask anyone who lived in the region?

  78. @ LYnn.. yes who i wonder?? who kept saying ‘bomb baghdad”?? to the extent it was made a joke of??/

    I don’t know who that was. Can you please inform me? Who made a joke of it? Could it have been a Kuwaiti that was upset that their country had been invaded by him and still felt threatened by him? Who knows, there were MANY people that were persecuted by him was there not?

  79. Dr nassef, everybody here knows that Moq comes from the middle East, grew up in the middle east, speaks Arabic, reads Arabic, and quite a lot too I understand. He knows exactly what he’s talking about.
    So the only difference is they did not manage to brainwash him.

    So, I looked up this word Moq used ”futuhat” (I thought it was some sort of sushi) and this is what I found:
    Futuhad is ”opening another country for islam”,

    Is Islam spread by the sword? here is the answer from Islam Q&A one of my favorite websites:
    Some enemies of the religion claim that Islam was spread by the sword. What is your response to that?

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. And it was spread by strength and the sword in the case of those who stubbornly resisted, until they had no choice and had to submit to the new reality.

    And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

    It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad

    Jihad:
    From Ilsam awakening.com
    Offensive Jihaad (where the enemy is attacked in his own territory).

    Where the Kuffar are not gathering to fight the Muslims. The fighting becomes Fard Kifaya with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard borders, and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorize the enemies of Allah. It is a duty of upon the Imam to assemble and send out an army unit into the land of war once or twice every year. Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Muslim population to assist him, and if he does not send an army he is in sin.

    And the Ulama have mentioned that this type of jihaad is for maintaining the payment of Jizya. The scholars of the principles of religion have also said: “Jihaad is Da’wah with a force, and is obligatory to perform with all available capabilities, until there remains only Muslims or people who submit to Islam.”

    Hope we cleared the problems with words and what they mean now.

  80. @ Lynn.. for that matter, why dont you ask the American Bedu?
    I invite you to learn more in an academic way from genuine sources and not from haters.

  81. Found another explanation of Jihad and futuhad:

    The Legislation of Jihad

    Jihad is an Islamic legal term meaning fighting in the way of Allah in order to establish a just system which upholds the laws of the Shariah and seeks to realize the aims of Islam on earth.

    (Quote: )
    Then came the third stage in which the Muslims were ordered to fight the Mushrikun and to initiate the fighting. This was to facilitate the spread of Islam by removing any obstacles placed in its path by the forces of Shirk (polytheism or idolatry), and to give the Muslims the upper hand in the world.

    (Quote: )
    ”Describing the Futuhat* as defensive is an apologetic attempt which does not stand up to serious argument. Did the people of Andalusia or Transoxiana cross the Muslims’ borders in order to conquer them? Did securing the borders necessitate the Muslims’ penetrating deeply into three continents, Asia, Europe and Africa, where dangerous events and decisive battles took place far from the Arabian Peninsula, such as the battle of Tours at Poitiers in the south of France, the conquest of Crete and southern Italy, the battle of Tiraz on the Talas river in Transoxiana, and finally the siege of Vienna?

    The true explanation of the Futuhat is that they applied their religious duty which is Jihad, and which the Prophet described as the pinnacle of Islam.”

    *Futuhat = ‘liberation campaigns’ resulting in the spread of Islam

  82. ‘You were very upset when i pointed out that you did not know the meaning of the word… so either understand what you are saying or dont use the word.’

    LOL Are you freaking kidding me? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    1. I was not at ALL upset
    2. I’M the one that DOES know the meaning of the word.
    3.I will use ANY word in my language (or any other for that matter) that I want! LOL

    Please pay attention. There IS a difference between the noun ‘The Crusades’ and the verb crusade (no capitalization) Learn it if YOU want to use the term! LOL

  83. The scholars of the principles of religion have also said: “Jihaad is Da’wah with a force, and is obligatory to perform with all available capabilities, until there remains only Muslims or people who submit to Islam.”

    The quran says” there is no forcing in faith (religion), now that the truth has been defined” (my translation)
    It also says: ” you have your religion, i have mine”

  84. The ‘fotooh’ you mentioned were to spread the word, ONLY, but never to convert. Also so that any one who does convert will not be in danger ( as the early muslims were). At the time, the copts in Egypt were rescued by the arab invaders from the torture of the Byzantine church.

  85. @ Lynn.. for that matter, why dont you ask the American Bedu?

    Ask her what, exactly? And why do you continue to insist that people who don’t agree with you are ignorant of facts?

    I, too, invite YOU to learn more in an academic way from genuine sources and not from haters or conspiracy theorists.

  86. @ Lynn, during that time.. Jerusalem was under islamic rule. All religions were respected and the people LIVED,

    Just for the sake of laughs, how exactly DID Jerusalem become under Islamic Rule? Could it have been JIHAD??? LOL I’m soooo confused about whether or not invading people’s land and changing their culture and taking over their places of worship is supposed to be considered ‘bad’.

  87. Dr Nassef, *” you have your religion, I have mine”*
    That’s from sura al kaffaroon, one of the very earliest surahs, when Mohammed had no power and had to play nice. This is of course obrigated by later verses, written when Mohammed had lots of power and which tell the believers to attack and kill without mercy.
    The one about ”no compulsion in religion” is from a very early one too ”the cow”.
    If you want to cherry pick you should choose verses which are at least still valid and not obrigated.
    Like these ones:
    Sura 9.5 “When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters where ever you find them.”

    Sura 47.4 “When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Until you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives.”

  88. Lynn *I’m soooo confused about whether or not invading people’s land and changing their culture and taking over their places of worship is supposed to be considered ‘bad’.*

    That depends entirely on who tells the story…

  89. That depends entirely on who tells the story…

    Yes, that IS how it appears but that would be hypocritical, wouldn’t it? LOL

  90. In response to Lynn’s question I went on a search for the history of Jerusalem. In reading this historical narrative it seems to me that the Muslims really have no room to talk about “the crusades” and being conquered….they themselves partook quite readily in “jihad” and conquering…

    http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

  91. Quote: ” if you kill one being is as if you killed the whole human race” <<< ISLAM

    The most misquoted verse in the Quran, plagerized from the Talmud and always edited by Muslims.

    Anon_saudi – Quote: I as a Muslim individual reject all kind of violence, reject any call for violence, reject all of the teaching that encourages violence, and there are many others like me. Our religion doesn’t call for violence.

    Oh? So those 'fight them till they submit' verses are about what? Leprechauns and jinns? If you really reject violence you would condemn the Quran. You don't. So nothing changes.

    Nassef – No, Nassef, Jihad isn't to "do your best and struggle against odds." It means to exert yourself, to struggle in the Way of Allah. Basically it is nothing but Holy War against non-Muslims. Your explanation was invented and pushed about 30 years ago for obvious reasons. War against non-Muslims is the traditional meaning of the word and this is how it is used on 99% of Islamic websites. It only becomes a struggle against "whatever" (like a diet or to stop smoking) when explaining it to stupid infidels (the other 1%). In case you don't know in the Quran there is a book called the Spoils of War (Imagine that!) and where do you think those spoils come from? Santa or the Easter Bunny? Note also that it say that to do this struggle a Muslim must leave home or could get killed. Sounds like war to me. Please spare us your silly explanation of jihad.

    Or if you want, look up the word here in the hadith, on the MSA site:
    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/search.html

    Evidently the Muslim Student Association didn't get the memo.

    Since you have mentioned the "No compulsion in religion" verse, you may want to explain my question posted here about this verse (3:20) and that (9:107) justifying your prophet's attack on the mosque at Dhu Awan because of their “unbelief”.

    http://americanbedu.com/2011/02/11/saudi-arabiaworld-what-exactly-is-a-muslim-students-association/

    If there is no compulsion, how could Mohammad attack people because of unbelief? In fact there are many issues in this one verse, moral and theological. Does Mohammad himself establish right and wrong? Is that not an atribute of Allah?

    Let me say that the answer is obvious. A non-Muslim can read the Quran without the bias and indoctrination that comes from being a Muslim, who are taught from their mother's milk that the Quran is the eternal, unchanged, perfect work of Allah. We read the words and try to understand them. If we have issues or doubts we voice them. Muslims, on the other had, if they don't understand something or are faced with a difficult question, they must ignore the obvious and decide that the Quran really doesn't say what it says because to admit that is is less than perfect is unthinkable. And so Muslims have about 30 excuses they use to explain any issue with quranic dogma. I even have a list of excuses I have come across.

  92. Im soooo confused about whether or not invading people’s land and changing their culture and taking over their places of worship is supposed to be considered ‘bad’.

    Me, too. Mohammad ordering jews and Christians expelled from Arabia, good, Praise be upon him. Jews kicking out Muslims, baaaaaaddd!

    Life is really confusing. At least we have AA, Lynn, and Obi-kanobe to straighten us out.

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  95. @Dr. Nasif,

    “People in one place of one culture see things differently. Imagine when they are from different places of different cultures, especially from an ancient one as that of the middle east.”

    LOL, that is the default answer for every criticism. When you cannot defend your bad logic, you use the default. However, this time it did not work, as I am from the ME and I certainly know the culture, the religion, and the language (probably more than you do). By the way my comment was not about culture, it was about your bad analysis of the 911 situation.

    Again, you showed that simple logic is just a skill you do not have.

    Cheers

  96. @Moq
    when you cant beat the logic, just attack the person!
    Very original!
    I dont know what you know or dont. All i know is that in your email you offered nothing logical, no opinion no thought. Not even real criticism.
    Just to show what kind of logic you are using: you say you know arabic better than me (!) while you dont know anything about my knowledge you chose to assume you are ‘better’… well good for you… if that idea (fantasy) makes you feel you are offering ‘good logic’ then i am sure we are all happy for you.

  97. @ Jay… what is your reference for christians and jews being ‘kicked out”??
    Both religions exist in all north african countries, in Lebanon, Syrian and Jordan before the begining of Israel back in 1948.
    During the spanish inquisition, the jews found sanctuary within the ottoman empire, and formed an important segment of all the communities from Morocco to Egypt.
    The middle east problem lies in the Israeli imperialism that insists on being a JEWISH state ONLY. Orthodox jews are say you cant be a jew and a zionist.
    Up till now you will find synagogues, active churches of so many sects all over islamic countries from Morocco to Egypt.
    We are simply against what zionism is doing ( using Judaism). As muslims we have to believe in the son of Mary and Moses and the messages they carried.

  98. @ Jay
    You will not gain knowledge by not being open minded. The Quran has been studied hard and wide by so many. Open minded academics from the western world ( not brought up believing the Quran was the word of God) have in the end embraced islam because they saw it could not be of human origin.
    Ofcourse you can chose to read for those or chose to read for haters.. all depends on your prejudices and how closed mind you are.

  99. i just need to ask here one question. Is this blog about exchanging view or about bashing muslims and islam? not to say also non-israeli middle easterners?

  100. Some people think there is much to criticize in a religion which is aggressive, misogynist, and call for the murder of ”infidels”.
    I think criticism is justified when you look at what happens to countries where Islam is the dominant religion, and/or Sharia is adopted as the system of law.
    Another thing I criticize is the tendency of Muslims not be able to deal with criticism but to immediately start whining that they are being ”bashed”.

    Criticism of valid wrongs and abuses is just that: Valid Criticism. not bashing!

    I also criticize the refusal of Muslims to criticize their own religion and countries when they abuse freedom of speech, women’s rights, childrens rights and human rights.

    I deeply criticize the current attempt to curtail freedom of speech and criticism of Islam in the United Nations by trying to push through the ridiculous blasphemy resolution.

    Also, dr Nassef, this blog is about Saudi Arabia, not Israel, not America, not Europe. If you have problems with the subject of this blog you should take your discussions elsewhere.

  101. Dr Nassef, this blog gives out information about Saudi Arabia. The comment section is an open forum. Everybody is free to discuss here in a polite manner.

    If you don’t like the comments on this open forum then that is your problem. If you cannot counter criticism of Islam with valid arguments then that is your problem.

    Whining about being ”bashed” is not a good solution for you. Nor does it impress.
    What you are trying to do here is what Muslims are trying to do world wide: Curtail freedom of speech, push a ruling where free thinkers are not allowed to bring forward well founded criticism of Islam which you cannot counter.

  102. @ Aafke
    let us take a look at your ‘valid’ rational ‘criticism”:
    Some people think there is much to criticize in a religion which is aggressive, misogynist, and call for the murder of ”infidels”.
    First this looks like you are talking about a religion and not KSA. Islam, as is well known has its greatest population in south east Asia followed by India.
    Now to pay attention to your notions about Islam:
    First, if you do read the Quran fully you will notice that the verses you are talking about were at the time that those ‘infidels’ were waging war against the small rising group of Muslims. That is its context if you want to be objective.
    Second. Islamic nations were the sanctuary for Jews during the Spanish inquisition.
    third again, in all Islamic countries you find a multitude of different nationalities and religions.
    In the end… as you say, this is a blog about KSA, granted, however it does not mean that we dont discuss with courtesy and differentiate hate propaganda from fact.
    I will not tell you what to talk about and what to do and dont do.
    I agree that criticizing abuse is a must. That is exactly what i am criticizing: the abuse here, but you so politely called it “whining” ;).

  103. @ Aafke
    Also, the freedom is not an excuse to go on bashing another different culture or religion.
    What i think would be more beneficial is to understand differences and find common grounds.
    So instead of name calling we can express without trying to appear abusive to others.
    As regards Israel and America, it was mentioned in the context of the question: “Who is Khalid Ali M. Aldawsari exactly? Who is his family? What caused such over-boiling hatred in him while he was still in his teens and a high school student?”
    I hope this clarifiesw

  104. 🙂
    @ Aafke again
    If you don’t like the comments on this open forum then that is your problem. If you cannot counter discussions clarifying Islam with valid arguments then that is your problem.

  105. to go back to the original topic of Khalid. Bush asked a long time ago:
    “Why do they hate us”
    Answers came at the time from all over the world.
    What does islam say about his actions?
    What do muslims think about those intentions he is accused of?
    Keep in mind, that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
    But the heading of this blog asked the questions assuming that he is guilty.

  106. Dr. N.

    @ Jay… what is your reference for christians and jews being ‘kicked out”??

    Obviously I was referring a command given by your prophet as he was dying, in his last sermon. This command was carried out by Omar. Every school child in Arabia knows this.

    While on the subject, it is generally accepted (Tabari and others) that Mohammad died of the lingering affects of poisoning, done by a jewish woman. She killed him because he killed her family when he conquered her town (Would that be ‘the resistance?”). Mohammad forgave her (as is often mentioned by Muslims) but Aisha says “We killed her anyway – The prophet forgave her but Allah didn’t” (For some reason Muslims don’t mention that detail of the story or even why he was poisoned).

    Anyway, interesting story.

    What I am saying is by what logic do Muslims condemn Jews for doing what Mohammad did? Is something eviol if done by jews but wonderful if done by your profit, err prophet?

    There is also the fact that when talking about Palestinians being expeled, Muslims never mention the hundreds of thousands of jews forced out of MENA countries after ’47-48. Why?

    The poor palestinians are being used. Note also that, for Muslims, their suffering gives them meaning, an issue of social justice that can be used to distract from their self-inflicted wounds.

    Blame it on the jews, the evil west, the US, Bush, the Crusades, ignorance, colonialism, Bugs Bunny, Hollywood, capitalism, the media, Israel, cartoons, etc – but whatever you do, let’s not blame Islam or Muslims for their troubles.

  107. @Dr. Nassef – ‘In the end… as you say, this is a blog about KSA, granted, however it does not mean that we dont discuss with courtesy and differentiate hate propaganda from fact’

    I just want to remind you of your very first comment on this post.

    ‘Well, as i read, comes to mind the satellite photos, and the brazen insistence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction!
    So insistent were those “facts” that a war was waged on a people, destroying families, land, culture and life. Then, NO weapons!!
    In this scenario, this young man is being charged, with similar ‘facts’, by people who have weapons of mass destruction and who have actually and really waged a destructive war against civilians. What does terrorism mean anyway?? bombing masses indiscriminately? maiming and killing without being a member of the USA military??
    Who is the criminal?’

    I have to say that it REALLY does seem as though YOU are harboring a lot of hate inside of you. Where does it come from? It sure sounds like your feelings come straight from propaganda that you have been indoctrinated with rather than facts and when we try to correct your logic you insist we are name calling and try to divert. Why would you take one thing, a military act, and from that assume a judgement against our judicial system? Where do you live? Have you ever told us that? How would a scenario such as the one we find ourselves with (a foreign student found to be planning an attack on your country) how would that scenario play out in YOUR country? Here this student IS being treated as if he is innocent. There is not judicial judgement against him yet. I am 100% confident that he will get a fair trial. Whether or not we, as individuals, presume him to be guilty (based on facts presented to us such as his journals where we learned about how many years he plotted and worked towards getting here to attack us) if WE presume him guilty or not does not matter. It is up to the judicial system.

  108. @Dr. N.

    “when you cant beat the logic, just attack the person!
    Very original!”

    I think you have a very bad understanding of what an attack on a person is. I attacked your logic as presented by your arguments here. If you present an opinion in an open forum, the logic you base that opinion on is fair game. If you do not have thick skin to accept that, then you should not comment on open forums and stick to speaking from a soap box surrounded by like minded people. No one will argue against your logic in that case 🙂

    I actually presented an opinion, that you never addressed and that was “Abrahamic religions are aggressive and intolerant” . They all have dark history of intolerance and wars to suppress others.

    Your reply is that I do not understand culture, based on some weird assumptions.

    So now, let’s get a little specific. Given the history of Islam:

    – Starting with your prophet attacking all the surrounding tribes and subjecting them. Eliminating all local religions. Conquering all Jewish tribes.
    – Then followed by the wars of conquests that added lands to the Islamic Empire, stretching from India in the East to Spain in the West.
    – Continuing to this day with the resurgence of Jihad.
    – And finally all the Dogma of war and intolerance in your religious books, which have effects today in modern nations that routinely discriminate and are hostile to people with other religions and believes.

    How you can an educated person, still insist on calling Islam a Religion of Peace and Tolerance?

    The ball is now in your court. Do not resort to the same techniques of pointing the finger at others (i.e. Christians had crusades, it is the fault of imperialism, etc.).

  109. Dr. N. You say “First, if you do read the Quran fully you will notice that the verses you are talking about were at the time that those ‘infidels’ were waging war against the small rising group of Muslims. That is its context if you want to be objective.”

    Once again. You really need to read the hadith. It was your prophet that waged war on non-Muslims.

    Narrated Humaid: Anas bin Malik said, “Whenever the Prophet went out with us to fight (in Allah’s cause) against any nation, he never allowed us to attack till morning and he would wait and see: if he heard Adhan he would postpone the attack and if he did not hear Adhan he would attack them.”

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/011.sbt.html#001.011.584

    While at the hadith site, look for the word ghaza (raid) in the hadith. There are hundreds of quotes about these attacks on peaceful villages.

    Dr., Forget the invented narrative you heard, read the texts yourselves.

  110. I don’t know much about islam. After reading some of the commnents here from moslems, I consulted a professor of islamic studies here at the Univ of Washington/Seattle.

    He said that it is the duty of all devout/good moslems to exercise Al Taqia or “legalized lying” for the sake of allah and prophet in their quest for the islamic domination of the world of “unbelievers”. By exercising this obligation, such as on this forum and others), they earn thwab or brownie points towards gaining admission to paradise and the 72 virgin houries.

    He also said that if one reads the islamic history, one will find that muslims have been in a perpetual state of war against the “unbelievers” for the last 1400 years. He strongly recommended reading the Noble Quran by Khan (King Fahd Edition) along with sunna and hadees of prophet (widely available on the internet.

  111. Harry, but that is what we do!
    But the result is not to the liking of some commentators here…
    😈

  112. Harry, I’m curious. Is that professor that you talked to a current or former Muslim?

  113. Lynn – Harry, I’m curious. Is that professor that you talked to a current or former Muslim?

    Lynn, he is a current second generation american moslem. That’s why he is so enlightened :)-

    Aafke, I agree!

  114. I call BS on this professor. No Muslim would recommend the Hilalli/Khan- or Khan translation unles he was a Wahabi. That is the WORST translation of the Quran out there. Many Muslims won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. It has a “Wahabi Twist” to say the least.

  115. Harry, I doubt that what you say about taquia or taqiyya (the doctrine of deceit).

    First of all, no Muslim would admit that.

    Second, it is mostly a shia thing, or the result of shia – sunni interaction. This because shia are a minority in a sunni world and, at times, because of persecution by other Muslims they do taquiya, which is not to be confused with tequila, a much better way to solve problems.

    Third, I honestly believe that Muslims believe they are being honest – well except for Imams (they have no excuse!). A Muslim may be in denial or ignorant or simply uncaring, but his/her understanding about islam is usually not a matter of deceit.

    Why oh why am I always defending Muslims!

  116. Hey Sandy, I have your back.
    At last we stand together!
    J.

  117. Sandy – I call BS on this professor. No Muslim would recommend the Hilalli/Khan- or Khan translation unles he was a Wahabi. That is the WORST translation of the Quran out there. Many Muslims won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. It has a “Wahabi Twist” to say the least.

    Sandy, the reason he recommended the Noble Quran is that it is Koran of choice in all the islamic schools here in the seattle metro area. I am not an authority on korans, which one would you recommend? Thanks ….

  118. Jay – Harry, I doubt that what you say about taquia or taqiyya (the doctrine of deceit).

    Hi Jay,

    To remove any doubts, here is a link which explains Taquia or Taqiyya, which has nothing to do with shias or sunnis:

    http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/06/what-is-taqiyya.html

    “Taquia” is a provision in Islam to lie under conditions including advancing the cause of Allah and to deceive your enemies. So, it is very hard to trust Muslims because you don’t know if they are saying what they really believe or they are lying to the Westerners because they are in a weaker stage of Jihad (the stage of El-estedaaf), but they can change when they are in a stronger position to fight and express their true feelings

    IN SEVERAL Quranic passages as well as the example of Mohammad, Muslims are encouraged to deceive non-Muslims when it will help protect Islam. It is known as the principle of “taqiyya” or “religious deception.”

  119. @Aafke,
    I never said that the Abrahamic religions were one of peace or not. While I believe that Jesus (or whatever his real name was) and the prophet Mohammed generally meant well and were trying to improve societies, I’m not going to sit here and tell you that wars weren’t fought in the names of Islam and Christianity (and of course Judaism, but I didn’t mention any of the Jewish prophets, so…) because wars WERE fought in the names of these religions. There is no destiny quite like manifest destiny! LOL.

    I am the first to tell you that I like the separation of church and state in the US. I strongly believe in the freedom for people to believe and live as they want as long as it’s not hurting anyone else.

    I was not saying that atheists commit religious wars (because that makes no sense). Just that atheists also commit violent crimes and participate in wars. A person could be just as easily motivated by money as religion.

    For many people, I think religion give a basic set of guidelines to live by that they might not otherwise follow, such as being kind to others and sharing. (You know, the things parents teach their children but don’t always do themselves. LOL.) I have seen religion help people and religion hurt people and a lot situations in between. Overall, though, I think it helps more than it hurts.

  120. *I would be among the first to agree/tell you that I like the separation of church and state in the US.

    (Sorry for being unclear earlier, the grammatical mistake, and late reply!)

  121. i see i have many to answer to here.
    On a personal note i would like to say, that i stayed away deliberately as i felt that the discussion was used for expressing hate more than the discussion, to the effect of becoming a personal abuse, as you can see from the many comments that are irrelevant to the topic, e.g. “How you can an educated person, still insist on calling Islam a Religion of Peace and Tolerance?”

    As someone said here, you need to have ‘thick skin”.. i believe that this is needed when you are entering a hostile atmosphere and not an educated community.

    @ MoA
    You have raised various issues some of them give incorrect historical data, I chose not to address ” “Abrahamic religions are aggressive and intolerant”, as it is a big topic that is however not related to our present one. A diversion that you threw and i avoided here for now.
    I will get back to you on the historical facts, and we can argue the ‘Abrahmic religions’ at another suitable site or blog.

    @ Jay
    Again, this is totally contradictory to what we have in our references.
    And the story about the jews and other religions is also totally incorrect.. i will explain in detail later please.

  122. @ Sandra
    In short, the palestenians were driven out of their villages by very savage terrorist attacks by the early zionist groups. It began back in 1947.
    As Israel was established its borders kept widening at the expense of displacing more of them, confiscating land and demolishing homes.
    The camps were formed so that they would return once again to their homes. They have been receiving a lot of aids from all Arab countries, some of them have moved totally to a new life in different continents. The idea is that Palestinians have a right to their homes, and they will not go till they get back what was taken from them.

  123. @ Lynn, you have seen Guantanamo, is that propaganda?
    You have seen what has happened to the people in Iraq. The death toll, the maiming.
    You have seen AbuGharib, and we all know that what we have NOT seen is more than that.
    Do you harbor any “love’ for that?
    Do you find in yourself no hate for that?

  124. @ LYnn.. yes who i wonder?? who kept saying ‘bomb baghdad”?? to the extent it was made a joke of??/

    I don’t know who that was. Can you please inform me? Who made a joke of it? Could it have been a Kuwaiti that was upset that their country had been invaded by him and still felt threatened by him? Who knows, there were MANY people that were persecuted by him was there not?

    are you kidding me?

  125. @ Aafke

    Thank you for your effort, i need to copy paste and read carefully.
    You posted very important passages.

  126. @Dr. N,

    “I will get back to you on the historical facts”

    I figured you cannot answer. However, in another comment you said I did not make any points. When I clarified my point you punt 🙂

    The fact of Islam being an aggressive and intolerant religion is at the heart of the aggression represented in today’s terrorism (i.e. the topic here). That is clearly obvious from historic facts and dogma. Islam was and is in a constant state of war since its inception (starting with the prophet and his khalephas).

    I know you chose not to answer and went with the default position that we are some how ignorant and do not have our facts straight. I have heard these answers before and it is the method of someone who cannot support his/her arguments.

    Cheers

  127. Dr. Nassef, it would seem that it is YOU that is the uneducated community and it is rather tiring trying to have a discussion with you when you bring in irrelevant facts and what appears to be a bitter, prejudiced, hateful heart. I think it is sad that you carry all that hate. There are a LOT of bad things done by bad people ALL over the world are we to harbor hate for them? You don’t want us to be suspicious of Muslims because of the many, many, many, many acts of terrorism directed at us in the name of Islam (that many, many, many, many Muslims AGREE with even if they wouldn’t be brave enough to do it themselves) but you are going to harbor hate over something that didn’t have anything to do with you personally? But perhaps you WERE in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib? I don’t know, you didn’t answer my questions that WERE relevant to this post:
    ‘Why would you take one thing, a military act, and from that assume a judgement against our judicial system? Where do you live? Have you ever told us that? How would a scenario such as the one we find ourselves with (a foreign student found to be planning an attack on your country) how would that scenario play out in YOUR country? Here this student IS being treated as if he is innocent. There is not judicial judgement against him yet. I am 100% confident that he will get a fair trial. Whether or not we, as individuals, presume him to be guilty (based on facts presented to us such as his journals where we learned about how many years he plotted and worked towards getting here to attack us) if WE presume him guilty or not does not matter. It is up to the judicial system’

    So, why don’t you answer THAT rather than bring up AbuGhraib?

  128. Moq, give up! It is useless.

    The problem is that Muslims have this “Official Narrative” about the life of Mohammad (persecuted, forced out, only defended himself, merciful, tolerant, etc) that they stick to. They have been taught this from childhood. It doesn’t matter what the traditions say or even the writings of the early historians (Tabari, Hisham, Kathir, Said, etc…). Of course they will use quotes from those works, if they fit the official narrative.

    However, anything that doesn’t fit their image of what Islam is immediately rejected. Words really mean nothing to Muslims, obviously. This may explain why critics of Islam will often link to Islamic sources, but often Muslims will not, or will be very selective about which verses they use.

    There is also the fact that Muslims believe that any imperfection in other religious traditions or in non-Muslims immediately justifies any despicable words or actions by Islam and Muslims. I could almost accept that if Muslims who attack other religions would admit they life in a glass house too – but no, because to admit that Islam is less than perfect is to say it is a big lie. And so Muslims do not, cannot change.

    And finally, there is the ‘hate’ thing. Muslims are big on ‘hate’ and of course, ‘hate’ is what others do, never Muslims. The fact that the Quran has hundreds of hateful verses about non-Muslims, who are accused of every despicable act under the sun, means nothing to them. The fact that their dear god makes it clear in the Quran that he/she personally delights in barbaric torture of infidels. Well, that depends if you consider Allah roasting a person’s skin and then replacing it to do it again, or pouring boiling water down an unbeliever’s throat to be bad. At least the Christian god sends sinners to a lake of fire, and doesn’t personally do the dirty work. The Jewish god, from what I remember, really is very vague about the fate of the non-just.

    Of course, Muslims that believe the Quran and worship a loathsome god and follow a prophet that did some very abominable things – they are really loving people.

  129. @ Harry

    I am totally astonished that anyone would say that for any religion!
    A person of true faith is not abusive in word nor one who lies. To be called a liar in islamic culture is a great offense… and yet he says that it is a duty??/
    What a SICK mentality!!
    ” The Muslim is the one who people are safe ( not be abused) from his tongue and his hands”…

  130. @ Jay
    I will ignore the sick comments and focus on facts
    We believe in ONE creator, the merciful. The owner of the day of judgment, the punisher. You will stand there one day answering to him about your foul thoughts and your absolute loathing for those with faith.
    The prophet who began as one man carrying the word of the creator, was faced with a whole tribe of the same amount of ignorance, who do you think prevailed?
    Why do you think so many became followers and believers ??

    Did you know that after 911, many began to read about islam and that actually the number of those embracing the faith in USA increased???

    What you mention as ‘facts’ are mentioned under the title “israelites” in the islamic literature as lies that do not conform.
    From now on i will ignore your abusive mentality. But will not ignore any lies about islam.

  131. @ Aafke
    Just let me ask you this, do you mean to say that anyone who disagrees with Mo is brainwashed unless he agrees with him ??

  132. “There is also the fact that Muslims believe that any imperfection in other religious traditions or in non-Muslims immediately justifies any despicable words or actions by Islam and Muslims”

    To be a muslim one must believe about all messages sent by the creator in all ages in all places. Namely those books : the tourah, the bible, and the Quran. Before that the ‘mazameer of David” amongst others.
    The Quran there is a whole Sura about virgin mary and is named after her.
    WE believe in all the prophets and honor them. Since there is one creator, the message has always been essentially the same, but in different languages and to different people.

  133. Dr. Nassef, just to be clear here, If I went to my bookshelf and got down my copy of the Bible and followed it exactly would it be ok or has that book been nullified because it has been corrupted?

  134. As regards palestine and israel. Yes the problem there is zionist imperialism, simply.
    It is not a religious problem but a problem of occupation by terrorism and force, that started back in 1948 and has cost several wars and many lives.
    The Palestinians left there are fighting for their lives and families.
    Again, YES the hate for crimes against humanity inflicted on the Iraqis and the Palestinian people with the continuous support of the American vito and weaponry, does create a huge hate against that injustice. I have met many Americans and Britons who were totally not media brainwashed and were so ashamed of such policies.

  135. of course they are. I agree with jay that Muslims are incapable, partly due to dogma to admit any fault, any mistake, but Nassef, other people are capable of looking back and admitting mistakes. the first step in amending them.
    I linked to a documentary of the BBC, which I think is a good example, there is no glossing over the mistakes, or suspect motives which were instrumental to the current problems in Palestine and Israel.

    I also remember going to an airshow in England with my father, commemorating the second world war. There were lots of vintage airplanes, and at the end of the day there was a missing man formation flown by English and German airplanes. Bitter enemies in that war but now a symbol of being able to rise above.

    Which is what muslims are not able to do. Why is that? really i would like to know, why is everything in the Muslim world so totally static? Why is nothing happening there? the only technology, improvements, modern stuff, everything is imported. nothing is developed, nothing tangible is coming out, no serious scientific research, only endless reiterations of wrongs, real or imaginary, done to them now, and in times past.

    With all the atrocities committed in the second world war, English and Germans are able to get over it, realize times have changed and commemorate together. And Muslims are still whining about the crusades!!!!
    For Pete’s sake!
    Get over it!

  136. To get back to the original heading.
    A Muslim should never attack an unarmed person. Hence bombing cities with people feeling safe and going on their daily lives is considered a serious major sin.
    The ten commandments that are basics of all religions begin with “thou shalt not kill”.
    If this young man was considering mass killing, then he is to be condemned by islamic laws.

    in the QURAN: it is mentioned ” do not transgress”.

  137. @ Aafke
    You are right about the middle east being static. Islamic countries include Malaysia, has also become prosperous. India and Pakistan have both become nuclear powers. (India though having the second highest muslim population is not considered an Islamic country).
    Right now, those ‘static’ countries being fed up with their ‘static’ (western supported) governments and if you follow the news,have been overthrown in Tunisia, Egypt and soon in Yemen and Libya.
    There is no shortage of brilliant minds and highly educated and innovative muslims, however it really depends on the governments that stifle any progress in the name of stability ( of their power), and cause those great minds to find other countries that allow them to progress.

  138. To answer the many lies posted about islamic war:
    وَقَاتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّـهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ ﴿١٩٠﴾
    sorat el baqara aya 190
    in english:
    Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors
    “The COW 190”

  139. @ Mo
    to be really brief and for the benefit of others who really think you are being honest with them:
    NO you are not mentioning the facts right.

  140. Nassef, but they didn’t invent nuclear power did they, they imported that knowledge, and probably the very basics to build their nuclear plants, which is exactly my point.

    Besides, it’s not in any way ”clever” modern or admirable to build nuclear plants. It’s really stupid to burden your country with tons of poisonous nuclear waste for eons to come. Just because you think you are a ”cool” country for having a nuclear plant and are too lazy to look into alternative means to create power.

  141. from sorat el ma2edaa:
    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تُحَرِّمُوا طَيِّبَاتِ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّـهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ ﴿٨٧
    in english:
    O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.

  142. nd I told you before that sura ”The Cow” is one of the early ones, when Mohammed had no power and had to play nice, and it’s nice verses are obrigated, eg deleted, made invalid, by later verse, when Mohammed did have power, and maden up very different verses.
    There are a lot of sites which have the Quran in chronological order and where you can work out which parts of the Quran are actually valid, and which parts are invalid.

    But I can give you a hint: most of the nice bits are rendered invalid by later versions with contradicting injunctions.

  143. Aafke
    isnt it stupid? However it seems to be the main energy source that most of the world depends on after oil.
    Technologies are imported and re-imported. The minds working on it can be of any religion.
    Many countries in the middle east are doing research for alternative energy sources. Nuclear power is ofcourse one of the old sources in europe and the usa.
    The policy and laws of a country are what allows a country to develop or to remain stagnant.

  144. @Aafke.
    The very first verse that came onto the prophet may peace be upon him, was ” read”, this is not in the Baqara.
    What you dont know, is that the quran was given as verses and not as suras. Later near the end and before the final speech. The verses that had come to him in different groups were put into the suras. In any of the very large suras the verses “ayat” come from different times. Only the small suras you find at the end came as a whole.
    Your information is not correct.

  145. @ Aafke
    the first verse ever was that of chapter 96. All its verses came together. Al-Alaq:
    96:1 Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
    96:2 He created man from a clot.
    96:3 Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
    96:4 Who taught (to write) with the pen
    96:5 Taught man what he knew not.

  146. @ Aafke
    There is a special science about the Quranic verses, when they came and why.
    The Quran, all of it is the law and core of the religion.
    An example:
    ” you have your religion, i have mine”
    there are many other verses about not enforcing faith, let us take what really happened. When they returned to Mecca after the pilgrim to Medina, those who remained non-believers were fined to teach ten muslims how to read and write. They were not forced into anything. That was when the Muslims who had to leave Mecca because of the abuse and torture were able to come back in strength.

  147. sorry i meant to say after the immigration to Medina ( not the pilgrim).

  148. @ Aafke
    You are mistaken:
    The Cow sura (chapter) is the largest one in the Quran, it definitely has many verses that came at very different times. It is not as you say “one of the earliest”.
    Notice that there are very bold predictions in the Quran pertaining to a future war and to who will remain a non-believer. Abu lahab, was a hater and torturer of muslims, a verse came mentioning him and the punishment he will face. That he would die a non-believer. He could easily have said he is a muslim, just to show that the quran is not divine. He never did. The other prediction was about th

  149. Dr. Nassef, I am very curious to know where you learned your Islamic History.

  150. @ Lynn
    i would have gladly introduced myself in a friendly civil atmosphere where all introduce themselves to each other.
    When i first stumbled on American Bedu searching for information about KSA, i did that and also use my real name here and not simply initials.
    I have found it always a pleasure to get to know people from different cultures and exchange views and knowledge. However, even in heated discussion courtesy was always upheld, and manners preserved. Online seems to give a sort of feeling of safety for those who want to be abusive.

  151. @ Aafke
    just a comment on the WW2. They did seemingly get over it you are right. You however forget that Bush when launching his offensive against Iraq (and the only retort was a shoe in his face), said he was going on a ‘crusade’.
    The Israeli state is still demolishing the homes of palestenians and has recently attacked a ship in international waters carrying aids to the Ghaza strip.
    All these are recent events and some still ongoing.
    The crusade is history, we are ‘whining’ not about the 911, but about the many deaths. About the children who have lost all limb… leaving nothing but the trunk!!
    We are ‘whining’ about Guantanamo, Abu gharib. But not as muslims, nor christians, but as natives to this area where we belong. Do not think for one second the christians in our region are feeling ok about what happened. This is not about islam, but about unjustified war. About WAR crimes.

  152. @ Aafke
    The problem is, that the “atrocities” that you mentioned happened in WW2, has happened in our region very recently, and is till happening.
    Let me add to you that, in the early 1900s, all of our nuclear scientists were assassinated.

  153. good night!

  154. @ Lynn
    From original books in arabic language. Written by the local historians.

  155. Which local historians? Which locale was that? What are the author’s names? Is Arabic your native language?

  156. Dr. Nassef, on March 4, 2011 at 1:17 am said:
    Let me add to you that, in the early 1900s, all of our nuclear scientists were assassinated.

    This is the first time I have heard of that! Any refs?

    If this is true, Allah be praised for this. Otherwise, the whole world would be living under the sharia law :)-

  157. I want to remind you again of your first post on this subject. Read it over and then tell me if you think that exchange was meant to be friendly and civil or an angry attack? Be honest now…

    ‘Well, as i read, comes to mind the satellite photos, and the brazen insistence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction!
    So insistent were those “facts” that a war was waged on a people, destroying families, land, culture and life. Then, NO weapons!!
    In this scenario, this young man is being charged, with similar ‘facts’, by people who have weapons of mass destruction and who have actually and really waged a destructive war against civilians. What does terrorism mean anyway?? bombing masses indiscriminately? maiming and killing without being a member of the USA military??
    Who is the criminal?’

    Then you said ‘This is not about islam, but about unjustified war. About WAR crimes’

    So, I am just trying to get this all clear. Are you saying that IF this Khalid kid IS guilty of what they are accusing him of he would be justlfied because of Iraq, Palestine, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo? Because that is how it appears as this post’s purpose is to figure out why someone like him would do this.

  158. @ Lynn
    In islam “one wrong does not justify another”
    My opinion: If he is guilty, he is as unjustified as those responsible for prior atrocities you mentioned.
    However, as he would be punished, so should those others be.
    It is the ACT that is to be condemned regardless of who does it. Whether by an american or a russian, or by a christian, muslim, jew or buddhist.

  159. @ Lynn
    What came to my mind i wrote. What stimulated it was seeing another accusation with the media already deciding for the jury. And all the ‘facts’ available, like that previous time.
    It was not against anyone here in the blog.

  160. @ Harry
    I am sure there are online references.
    Are you saying that you condone assassination of scientists??
    Sharia means Law, in Arabic, but has come to refer to what has been divinely ordered.
    In Sharia, each community is to be governed by their own religion. Under “sharia” a christian or a Jew would be judged and sentenced according to the gospel or the Torah respectively.

  161. Well, Dr Nassef, to me it sure sounded like a hate filled diatribe against the United States.

    FYI People that have been found guilty of abuses in Iraq have been put on trial and punished. Not good enough?

    There are, I don’t know HOW many Iraqis, that felt that they were finally given justice when Saddam was finally removed. Do they count for anything?

  162. ‘ Under “sharia” a christian or a Jew would be judged and sentenced according to the gospel or the Torah respectively’

    And how would an Atheist be sentenced?

  163. @Dr. N,

    “Notice that there are very bold predictions in the Quran pertaining to a future war and to who will remain a non-believer…..That he would die a non-believer.”

    So let me get this straight, cursing your enemy and saying he will never join you (i.e. becomes a Muslim), is proof of divinity and accurate predictions. You sure get impressed easily. I can top that trick and produce a silver dollar out of your ear, would that make me a Super Prophet…

    “to be really brief and for the benefit of others who really think you are being honest with them:
    NO you are not mentioning the facts right.”

    No I can back up all my facts. What is happening here is you cannot argue against them. The fact is you have to defend a bloody history and a prophet who was a warlord. No wonder you keep avoiding the debate about Islams history and just use arguments like the above.

    “Under “sharia” a christian or a Jew would be judged and sentenced according to the gospel or the Torah respectively.”

    Under Shariia a Christina and a Jew’s testimony are not accepted if they contradict a Muslim’s testimony, Under Shariia, the common law is Islamic law, Christians and Jews can only use their own laws only in civil matters and only in the case when the dispute doe snot include a Muslim. In which case Islamic law is used. You leave important details here, to hide the fact that Islamic law dominates when Muslims rule.

    Like Jay always tells you, you use many excuses and rant about many items of none relevance, just to avoid looking at the facts of Islam none tolerance. The issues of Islam will never get solved as long as Muslims like you always deflect criticism.

  164. Dr. Nassef, on March 4, 2011 at 1:17 am said:
    Let me add to you that, in the early 1900s, all of our nuclear scientists were assassinated.

    This is really laughable! I asked for refs and you weren’t able to provide any. Because there are not any to these kind of fibs. Was there a lunar mission in development by moslem scientists also and they were assassinated?????

  165. @ Harry if you find it is laughable that scientists were assassinated, then i really cant help you, that would need professional help.
    I am simply telling you what happened, you find it easier to not believe, that is your problem.
    However what i am saying is true.
    You seem more interested in being a joker. But the joke is on you: , in the lunar mission was involved a Muslim scientist ‘geologist’ to be exact who trained the astronauts on where to land.
    I have no respect for your silly arrogance, that finds it easy to accuse others of lying. Just because you were unable to find an ‘online’ source does not make it a lie, or was this idea too ‘complicated’ for you to think of?

  166. i simply put the search word and first page i found this:

    jssnews.com/2010/12/14/mossad-hit-teams-have-a-history-…

    If you want a list :

    (1) Egyptian scientist Dr. Yahya Amin al-Mushed, who was the chief of the Iraqi nuclear project;
    (2) Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Samirah Musa, who was killed in a road accident in the United States in 1952 caused by an unidentified driver;
    (3) Egyptian nuclear physicist Dr. Samir Naguib, who was assassinated in Detroit;
    (4) Egyptian scientist Dr. Nabil al-Laqeeni
    (5) Egyptian mathematician and physicist Ali Moustafa Mosharafa Pasha, who was a professor of applied mathematics and who contributed to the development of quantum theory as well as the theory of relativity and corresponded with Albert Einstein;
    (7) Egyptian scientist Dr. Gamel Hamdan, who was killed by the Mossad and whose books and publications have all disappeared;
    (8) Dr. Salwa Habib, who was killed by the Mossad after publishing her book “The Israeli Influence in Africa” and whose murderer was never apprehended by the Egyptian police;
    (9) Egyptian scientist Saeed al-Bodair, who had developed some pioneering theories in the field of microwave technology

  167. @ Harry..
    also this popped out:

    http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1226079

    It would have shown that you were a civil person simply searching for the truth if you had simply asked me for help to find an online site, but you just could not help yourself. Really sad.

  168. Dr. Nassef, I see that list that you have copied from one of those rabid sites (the exact same list was posted and reposted on several angry sites. Palestine Defence, Islam Sight etc. interesting…

    I came across problems when I tried to Google the individuals so that I could find out more about their deaths. I wonder if someone has links to the actual news articles on each of these individual ‘murders’. I would have thought that an assassination in Detroit would not go unnoticed by the news but unfortunately when I Google Dr. Samir Naguib I get nothing at all 😦

    But, I have to say that I think I am starting to understand, it’s all falling into place for me now after reading the Fourwinds 10 site that explained:

    The scientists who refused to leave Iraq were severely interrogated and were tortured. The report stated that Mossad saw that they had to be eliminated because they posed a threat to the future of Israel.

    Mossad found that the best way to assassinate them is through the ongoing violence in Iraq. The report added that the Pentagon was also convinced that this was the best way and special Israeli commando groups were prepared to fulfill this task. The US team gave assistance to the Zionist troops and the team prepared the curriculum vitae of the scientists and provided access to them.

    According to the report, the operations have targeted more than 1000 Iraqi scientists and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists.

    So this is how I understand it all now. 9/11 was done by the evil zionist PIGS so that the US would get angry enough to go wage war in Iraq (after taking some time to play around in Afghanistan for fun) in order to create cover for the murder of the great Islamic scientists? I’m glad that I finally have it straight now. Damn those silly Jews!

  169. Dr. Nassef, on March 4, 2011 at 1:17 am said:
    Let me add to you that, in the early 1900s, all of our nuclear scientists were assassinated.

    Dr. Nassef, on March 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm said:
    @ Harry..also this popped out:

    Thx for the refs. So I get it. All these moslem scientists were “killed” by the Jooz thus preventing the development of an islamic nuclear bomb and the landing of moslems mujahids on the moon. History would have indeed been different otherwise. So sad!

    I condemn the Jooz/Mossad for carrying out such dastardly acts …. Yahweh knows best :)-

  170. @ Harry
    Indeed Elohim (Allahom) knows best. Happy that you got the point at last. Though it is not nice of you to make fun of the ‘Jews”.

  171. @ Lynn
    Many things are not mentioned at all in your media, but you can find more amongst Jews against Zionism if you like. Anything that would show Israeli’s crimes are not shown.
    I really dont know who was behind the 911, however it always helps to see who benefited from it.
    Let me ask you, just to get a perspective here:
    what is your position on the assault on Iraq?
    Do you say that because people are from arab origin (christians & muslims) to be bombarded?
    Do you find no problem in occupation of another country and confiscating land and demolishing homes?

  172. @ Lynn
    The list i gave you is online. However that is what i found online. It is well documented and well known in our region.
    The assassination itself is also mentioned in one Jewish newspaper.
    Name calling does not decrease from the authenticity of this specific piece of information. But if that is how you discuss, whatever makes you sleep at night.

  173. Dr. Nassef, I will answer ALL your inquiries as soon as you answer mine. M’Kay?

  174. @ Lynn..
    To correct an error:
    Do you say that because people are from arab origin (christians & muslims) it is ok to bombardor assassinate them?

  175. @ Lynn
    i think you missed my reply to you. I did answer the same type of questions you asked previously. However, the answer should be really direct when it comes to destruction of lives.

  176. ‘It is well documented and well known in our region’

    That’s all I’m asking for some documentation other than a hate site saying that it happened. It HAS to be reported in some kind of news report, somewhere, eh? Just show me THAT is all I ask.

  177. or did the Mosad go and erase the memory of everyone that was around at the time of the assassination so we wouldn’t have any recordings of the events?

    Can you please just tell me the method used for the Detroit assassination of Egyptian nuclear physicist Dr. Samir Naguib. What year was it? What was he doing in Detroit? Did he live there? Was he sent there for a fake seminar so that he could be murdered on the street of a violent city? Was it a drive by? A mugging gone bad? A poisoning at his hotel? What? I just want more of the story is all.

  178. @ Lynn
    Well, i am telling you what i have known for a very long time, long before there was internet.
    If you come to the middle east, in any arab country, you will find many references, because this is our history and those are our people.
    This is our side of the story.
    You may be able to find reference somewhere or maybe not.
    The point here is: I am giving here a view of the ‘other’ side, something you may not be exposed to, except to be told that these are like in the old west ‘red indians” i.e. ok to kill and ok to take their lands.

  179. You did not respond to these questions I asked you:

    FYI People that have been found guilty of abuses in Iraq have been put on trial and punished. Not good enough?

    There are, I don’t know HOW many Iraqis, that felt that they were finally given justice when Saddam was finally removed. Do they count for anything?

    ‘ Under “sharia” a christian or a Jew would be judged and sentenced according to the gospel or the Torah respectively’

    And how would an Atheist be sentenced?

    Which local historians? Which locale was that? What are the author’s names? Is Arabic your native language? (that was regarding where you got your Islamic History knowledge)

    So, I promise if you answer those questions I will answer yours. 🙂

  180. and it is ok to wage war on them, because they are followers of “ISLAM’ they have weapons of mass destruction and we are in danger of them. You now know what we knew all along. That this was and is a lie.
    Why do they ‘hate’ us.. easy.. because they follow “ISLAM’!! how many will really go to the sources and learn about Islam and not go to ‘rabid’ sites to use your expression.
    NO they dont hate, because of war crimes..noooo.. they are not human, they dont hate because of the daily killing of their people in Palestine, Iraq and now Afghanistan. They dont hate because of the Bulldozers that are American made that daily demolish the homes of the palestenians…noo.. they hate because they are muslims!!

  181. @ Lynn
    Thank you ..You have already answered.

  182. @ Lynn..
    Do you really think that is enough?

  183. @ Lynn… to answer you i must have been the one to assassinate him. Sorry i dont have that information.

  184. @ Lynn
    Did you happen to find some of the others?

  185. The war on Iraq is itself the crime.

  186. @ Lynn… to answer you i must have been the one to assassinate him. Sorry i dont have that information.

    Seriously? We can’t know anything about how someone dies unless we do it ourselves? Come on! At least give me some evidence that he even existed. If he died in Detroit there would be a death certificate and it would have the cause of death. Do we have that? If you don’t have the simplest of anwers about these crimes why are you spreading the news about it?

  187. ‘Did you happen to find some of the others?’

    No, can you find them for me? And remember, reputable sources not someone’s retelling of something that someone told them that someone had told them after they’d read it on someone’s blog. I’ll give you some time but it would be great if you could give us some info on each of these assassinated scientists. Thanks.

  188. @ Lynn
    I’l try.

    For the previous one:
    Again, this is our information. I did not get them from online, but from my readings many years ago.
    Why am i ‘spreading’ them? Because that is what WE know. It is our side of the story.
    I remember someone saying ” if it is not on TV (online) it did not happen”. Would you really think that is true?
    Everyone here now stands informed of our information. I may be able to find a link online for you, or maybe not, but one day you may come across someone or an article that makes you recall this information i mentioned here.

  189. @ Lynn
    you have asked so many questions!
    My question was about where you stand, and not personal ones.
    Where do you stand on the killing of people here in our region?

  190. @ dr nassef, it is not polite to write so many meaningless small comments. It makes it impossible for us to see who else has responded and on which thread because you avatar is now usurping almost all the space on the side bar.

    You wrote about 6 comments which could have been a single one. And that is only for this thread.

    I suggest you think a bit before you post. Maybe write it down on paper first.

  191. @ Aafke Art
    I assure you i meant no impoliteness. I think that small comments are easier to read.

  192. My questions WERE about how you stand?

    How did you stand on Saddam’s gassing of his own people? How did you stand on the news of all the mass graves of Muslims in Iraq? How do you think that the relatives of those buried in those mass graves felt about their glorious leader Saddam Hussein? Do you think that they would be capable of convincing the world that Saddam Hussein was a violent, dangerous man? If Saddam was still in power in Iraq what do you think would be happening there today, with all these other Arab countries protesting and overthrowing their dictators (who seem pretty mild compared to Saddam Hussein). Where do you stand on those questions my dear Dr. Nassef?

  193. ‘Where do you stand on the killing of people here in our region?’

    1. I don’t know what your ‘region’ is. You refused to share that about yourself.
    2. There are a LOT of killings happening in the Middle East,Afghanistan, North Africa, Sudan, SE Asia. Should my stand on the death of a tyrannical dictator, terrorist or murderous pirate be the same as my stand on the accidental death of an Iraqi mother or Afghan child blown up by long ago planted landmine or the suicide death of a wanna be martyr that takes out a NATO soldier who is giving his life for the freedom and safety of strangers who would just as soon happily watch him die? Do YOU think that simply and broadly?

  194. @ Lynn
    With pleasure after you tell me where you stand on the murder of muslims and christians in our region.
    I have already answered about my position on the original topic of Khalid Aldawasri and hence am asking you the same.

  195. ‘after you tell me where you stand on the murder of muslims and christians in our region’

    I just TOLD you that my stance would NOT necessarily be the same for different circumstances. You can’t ask for an opinion on a vague question. I asked you a very direct question that you refuse to answer. Again, pretty simple question not at all overly broad reaching is was:

    There are, I don’t know HOW many Iraqis, that felt that they were finally given justice when Saddam was finally removed. Do they count for anything?What did you think about Saddam gassing his own people to death? Was Saddam a Muslim?

  196. ‘after you tell me where you stand on the murder of muslims and christians in our region’

    I just TOLD you that my stance would NOT necessarily be the same for different circumstances. You can’t ask for an opinion on a vague question. I asked you a very direct question that you refuse to answer. Again, pretty simple question not at all overly broad reaching is was:

    There are, I don’t know HOW many Iraqis, that felt that they were finally given justice when Saddam was finally removed. Do they count for anything?What did you think about Saddam gassing his own people to death? Was Saddam a Muslim?

    Are those the murders that you want me to give you my stand on or some other one?

  197. Also, I don’t even know what your ‘region’ is. I can only guess but for some reason you don’t want to answer it. Are you perhaps living in the US?

  198. My question is very specific.
    You can check from your ‘reliable’ sources how many men, women and children were maimed and killed during the bombing of the USA forces of Iraq.
    You can check on how many were shot on the streets while unarmed. How many women and girls were raped. In the end… you can have a glimpse of some of the tortures that were going on.
    My question is.. where do you stand on all this.

  199. @ Aafke

    The good Dr’s approach is volume over quality. I have never seen any responses from him which show an analytic mind. just many scattered responses and step siding the issues presented.

  200. Again I will ask you There are, I don’t know HOW many Iraqis, that felt that they were finally given justice when Saddam was finally removed. Do they count for anything?What did you think about Saddam gassing his own people to death? Was Saddam a Muslim?

    Jeez I have WAY too much time on my hands 😀

  201. @Lynn
    Stop discussing with Dr. Nassef.
    All he does is answer questions, he doesn’t want the answer. Dr. Nassef never take the responsibility to tell where he stands.
    But of course a believing sunni has to be critical when the shia’s take over.

  202. Niels, it IS rather unfortunate that he won’t discuss with us properly. If he DID then maybe we could get a better understanding of how we get a Khalid and what countries can do to protect the rest of the world from these poor, misguided creatures. From trying to have a discussion with Dr. Nassef it seems as though the education system could be the problem.

  203. Perhaps you should do a post about the congressional hearings that were held this week.

  204. @Lynn, Funny you say that, I’ve been watching the news today and just keep shaking my head. Talk about another big WHY… how much US taxpayers funds went towards these hearings?

  205. Notice that the (Muslim) families of these radicalized kids are happy to be a part of it and they want to protect other’s kids from the same fate.

    Why did I, a non-Muslim, have to tell my daughter’s mosque that the website Islam Q&A.com was inappropriate for use as a reference for learning for new Muslims? They have since disabled their links. Why do Muslims not do more to take on these kinds of websites themselves?

    I’m sure that there is much more taxpayers’ funds being used to jail these radicalized kids than in tryng to find ways to protect them from being radicalized in the first place.

  206. حقيقة كراهية المسلمين لأمريكا لإنهم يدعمون إسرائيل بالأسلحه وغيرها

    وسرقة دوله من أهلها الأصليين تعتبر أكبر سرقه في التاريخ

    ولمن يقول أن صدام قتل شعبه ..نحن لا نقول بإن صدام يفعل الصواب

    ولكن ليس المسلمين على هذه الشاكله

    ولكن هل ترون قصف الأمريكين للمدنيين صح أو جريمه

    أي كان الحكومه الأمريكيه لا تود الإصلاح للبلد بل الخراب

    الآن صدام ذهب من فتره طويله جدا

    ولم يخرجوا من العراق

    بالعقل هل هذا إصلاح أم إستعمار ؟؟

    هم يريدون النفط فقط وليس تهدئة الأمور

  207. […] 2011: The post about Saudi national Khalid Aldawsari received 207 […]

  208. An update on Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, the Saudi wanna-be terrorist:

    Now after mastering the English language…and continuous planning to target the infidel Americans, it is time for Jihad” — Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari

    “A year later: Lubbock terror suspect Aldawsari awaits trial,” by Logan G. Carver for the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, February 25, 2012:

  209. An update on Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, the Saudi wanna-be terrorist:

    “Now after mastering the English language…and continuous planning to target the infidel Americans, it is time for Jihad” — Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari

    “A year later: Lubbock terror suspect Aldawsari awaits trial,” by Logan G. Carver for the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, February 25, 2012:

    http://lubbockonline.com/crime-and-courts/2012-02-25/year-later-lubbock-terror-suspect-aldawsari-awaits-trial#.T0o1psz7vKo

  210. […] official.  Saudi national Khalid Ali M. Al-Dawasari has been found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment for his intent to bomb the home of former […]

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