Saudi Arabia: Who are the REAL Muslims?

An earlier post I wrote about the perceptions of Muslims in America continues to generate a dialogue of conflicting and emotional discussion.  What the comments from that post have highlighted is that there is not only fear, confusion and disagreement about Muslims in America but there is a lack of consensus or agreement on the definition of a Muslim!  The definition of a Muslim is not to be confused with a definition of Islam.

From Wikipedia a Muslim is an adherent of Islam, a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion based on the Qur’an, which Muslims consider the verbatim word of God as revealed to prophet Muhammad. “Muslim” is the Arabic term for “one who submits to God”.

According to TurntoIslam a Muslim is someone who submits to Allah’s will. A person upon true monotheism, who worships God alone without associating any partners with him. A Muslim is someone who Bears witness that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. A Muslim can be of any background, race, country and gender.

Ask.com identifies a Muslim as a person who believes in and consciously follows Islam is called a Muslim, also from the same root word. So, the religion is called “Islam,” and a person who believes in and follows it is a “Muslim.”

So in the most “generic” of terms a Muslim is a follower of Islam and submits to Allah (God).  Most Muslims will likely agree that a Muslim believes Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah (God).  The disagreements begin when sects and/or categories are applied to Muslims.

The majority of Muslims are either Sunni or Shiia.  Sunni Muslims are further broken down and categorized by which school of law is followed. The four most popular schools are:

Hanafi:  followed by Muslims of Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Central Asia, the Muslim areas of Southern Russia, the Caucasus, most of the Muslim areas of the Balkans and Turkey and parts of Iraq, all follow this school of jurisprudence. It is also the dominant school of Muslims in the United Kingdom and Germany.

Maliki: adopted by most North African and West African countries like Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Nigeria and others except Egypt, Horn of Africa and Sudan. Also, the Maliki madhab is the official state madhhab of Kuwait, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates.

Shafi’i: Muslims in Indonesia, Lower Egypt, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Coastal Maharashtra/Konkan and Kerala in India, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Palestine, Yemen and Kurds in the Kurdish regions follow the Shafi’i school.

Hanbali: This school of jurisprudence is followed predominantly in the Arabian Peninsula.

Shia majority countries are Iran, Iraq, Azerbaijan and Bahrain.[64] They also constitute 36.3% of entire local population and 38.6% of local Muslim population of Middle East.[65]

 

There are other minority Muslim groups known as Sufi, Ahmadi, Salafi or Submitters.  A Sufi, Ahmadi, Salafi or Submitter considers himself/herself a Muslim the same as a Sunni or Shiia.

The purpose of this post is to identify the definition of Muslim and some of the ancillary names/groups associated in conjunction with a Muslim.  Saudi Arabia is the home of Islam’s two holiest sites and each year issues millions of visas for Muslims to perform the rites of Umrah and Hajj.  Are any Muslims turned away or prohibited from performing these pillars?

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56 Responses

  1. OMG! I haven’t even read this yet but I can see this is going to be an interesting topic…I’ll get back once I have read it.

  2. “post have highlighted is that there is not only fear, confusion and disagreement about Muslims in America but there is a lack of consensus or agreement on the definition of a Muslim”

    I don’t think there is any real confusion about the defintion of what a Muslim is, there are a quite a variety of opinions on whether Muslims all support terrorism, but that is another matter. As a non-believer distinguishing between different schools of jurisprudence is needless.

    There might be a need for an outsider to know the difference between Sunni and Shiite but within the US those distinctions aren’t very important.

  3. It was good to see these all in one place – at least I now have *some* idea about the range of differences within Islam.Thankyou.
    Now: Imagine if we broke Christianity into sects…you’d be here for days.

  4. I saw no mention of Wahabism. It seems to be the strictest practice of Islam and is what is practiced here in the Kingdom.
    My problem must come from a lack of understanding the differences between the Sunni school of thought and the Shia. As a Methodist, I cannot imagine discriminating or taking up arms against a Baptist or any other Christian denomination. Therefore it is confusing that a religion that testifies to being tolerant, is so intolerant of a denomination of the same religion. I have just read where the government of Bahrain has arrested and charged doctors and nusrse with crimes against the state for giving medical aid to protesters.

  5. ‘The definition of a Muslim is not to be confused with a definition of Islam.”

    Sorry, but I don’t think you can separate the two can you? Everyone can agree that a Muslim is someone who practices Islam but you will get different answers when you ask some Muslims what Islam is, wouldn’t you?

    Wouldn’t a Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, Submitter, etc, all define THEIR Islam differently? So if you get someone who knows nothing about the various sects within Islam and speaks to only one person from a particular sect that is how they would then define Islam, isn’t it?

    I hope my questions are clear here…honestly this can all be a bit confusing! 😕

  6. @Linda:

    As far as I know there is no sect called “Wahabi”. This is a misnomer. Read the book, “The Saudi Enigma”. The writing style is a bit of a put off but it is still an interesting read about Saudis. And these are the Muslims that most non-Muslims categorize as “Wahabi” although they themselves do not care for the tittle.

  7. By the way Bedu, hope you don’t mind me asking this as it is off topic but will you be writing about the Osama news?

  8. @Linda – ‘I saw no mention of Wahabism. It seems to be the strictest practice of Islam and is what is practiced here in the Kingdom.’

    Oh NO she DI’INT!! You said the ‘W’ word and you will hear about it! 😉

  9. Rosemary, there is Wahhabi teaching though, and it is uniquely identifiable from the other salafi groups.

    Wahhabis are salafis which are Hanbali’s which are sunni. They are uniquely nasty, they raise a lot of hate against shias the want to force everybody to their way of thinking, they create crazy ideologies. And crazy people like Bin Laden.

    There is another thread with a lot of discussion about wahhabism, there have been books written about Wahhabism more than hundred years ago.
    People, including his own brother, were against Abdulwahhab from the first moment.

    Read this comment, and the others.
    http://americanbedu.com/2010/02/17/saudi-arabia-is-there-something-like-wahhabism/#comment-35861

  10. It is immeterial what sect one belongs to, If you profess your faith you are muslim and that’s all the others should be concerned with.

    The problem i see is judgement on if you are a good muslim or how come you are muslim and do this.. etc.,

    no one sin is greater than the other, and no one is perfect. i have heard muslims calling others as not very muslim or “not really true muslims”.. what the hell is that..

    so is praying 5 times a day good and not giving zakat less good, or if one performs hajj but doesn’t pray 5 times daily not muslim enough???

    Anyone who professes their faith irrespectiv eof which sect they belong to or how much they sin is a muslim. Osama is a muslim as much as my husband is, he professed his faith , weather he is a good example of a muslim or not is up for debate.

    Every muslim i come across strives to follow the koran to the BEST of their ability..
    The most critical critics of my husband’s practicing his faith are muslims 🙂
    I don’t claim to know if it’s a good religion or bad one bt i can safely say it’s adherents are the most critical lot… sad state of affairs when one cannot recognize religion is a private affair between the individual and god.

  11. The fact that Wahhabi is a word that Arab Muslims reject doesn’t change the fact the Saudi Arabia agressively supports a very conservative brand of Islam both inside the country and outside. If one wonders why Islam has such a negative image in the West, one can look to history (Islamic armies at the borders of Europe were the historical enemy) but one cannot ignore what billions of dollars of oil money allowed the Saudis to do. They have polished the image of islam to what it is today. Websites like Memri.org allow one to see numerous videos of rants by backward preachers. There are Saudi based blogs that give stories of how religious police use sticks on women who aren’t properly hidden. If there was a moderate version of Islam growing a few decades ago, that has been quashed with Saudi money.

  12. Other minority groups would be the Druze and Alawaites, I believe. The latter makes up the Syrian regime currently so in love with their power that they don’t mind killing their own countrymen.

  13. Question: how would a Shiite traveling in the US know that a mosque is Shiite or would he/she go to a Sunni mosque?

  14. Jerry, on the thread I linked to it was made clear that Arabs do refer to wahhabis as Wahhabis. Even if the Wahhabis themselves may not do so, there are many Arabs who dislike them and who call the Wahhabis wahhabi. It’s not a new word: it has been used since Wahhabism came into existence.

    Last year it was in the news how a muttawa, the ultimate in Wahhabism, attacked and knifed a man (from behind) because he would not order ”his woman” to cover one of her eyes. (Two of her eyes were too seductive according to the mutt in question)
    Of course later, while in hospital, the man was blamed and charged for attacking the mutt. Because Saudi Arabia is a Wahhabi run country.

  15. @jerryM

    I don’t think they activitly discriminate in a mosque !!
    acco to my husband you can tell the diff by the way of the azan ) call to prayer)

  16. @ Aafke: ‘Wahhabis are salafis which are Hanbali’s which are sunni.”

    Well now that’s just weird! 😕 So you’re saying all Sunni’s are Wahabi? ALL of them are extremists and nasty? 😕 I”m not sure I agree with you there. I will check out the link though…

    @Radha & Jerry:

    There is a distinct difference in the way Shia and Sunni Muslims perform their prayers. I don’t know about the differences in the athan (call to prayer) but there are many differences in their prayers as I’ve witnessed both praying. So if that Sunni or Shia Muslim happened to miss the athan and stepped into a new masjid he would definitely know he was in the wrong (?) place once the prayer started! 😉

    And I’m sorry to say some Muslims do actively discriminate against one another in a masjid. Based on my experience it usually begins with nationality and then branches out from there. So for example I’ve seen many examples of Arab Muslims discriminating against Indian or African American Muslims as well as Shia discriminate against Sunni Muslims and vice versa. They’ll go out of there way not to pray beside one another or not greet them properly or simply not speak to them whereas they would speak to others normally, making their intentions quite clear. I think most Muslims try to be more tolerant inside masjids but you will still find some that are not. Any Muslim can tell you this occurs in the most important masjid of all, Masjid Al-Haram in Mecca…and if they disagree with me then they’re either oblivious or in denial. Sorry to say.

    Now, all of what I just typed has left me feeling quite ill… 😦

  17. Rosemary, no, you are turning my argument around 180”.
    I wonder how you can do that, it’s so illogical.
    Anyway I’ll explain:
    Being part of a set does not make the entire set equivalent to that part.
    -Wahhabbis are part of the Salafi groups
    -which are in turn part of Sunnis
    -which are in turn part of a group of people calling themselves Muslims
    -which in turn are part of monotheist religious people, -which in turn are part of a collection of people who call themselves followers of religion
    -which in turn are part of the Human race.

    That cannot ever mean that the human race is Wahhabi. That is ridiculous. Unless that is your opinion, you can have your own opinion, but you cannot claim that I said so because I didn’t.

  18. Shiia mosques tend to have green and black colors prevalent throughout ….this is generally the easier way to determine from the outside. Black flags being the most obvious exterior identifier.

  19. Wow, Aafke your 2nd explanation just made my head spin! But wait a minute, you’re wrong! ‘Part’ of the Human race is Wahabi! You’re much too busy being snarky and less concerned with clarity! I find your comment to be highly offensive rude gibberish. I suggest you review the blog rules dear. 😥

    I read the link you provided and I definitely find Moq’s explanation more logical than yours but I’ll give you a pass just this once so long as you do not offend me again in the future! Consider yourself warned 👿

  20. Coolred, Is the Shia flag similar to the green Saudi flag in that it has the shahadah? What is the significance of the color black for them do you know?

    I have also wondered what the significance of the color green is for the Saudi flag and other symbols in Islam. There is so much green: the Quran, the masjid domes, the flag. Anyone ever noticed that?

    Incidentally, green is my favorite color! 😉

  21. Rosemary, you are making clear here that you lack any capability of logic thinking. That is also why you get offended so easily.
    Your earlier comment hardly made sense it was so muddled. My comment was simple and logical and still you do not get it. You seem to be incapable of understanding simple communication.

    Set logic is very simple stuff, they teach it in high school. This really should not have made your head spin!
    You really seem to have a problem understanding simple logic, simple concepts. Even when I put it simply you did not understand.

    You said: “So you’re saying all Sunni’s are Wahhabi?”

    I do not understand how you read that in my comment.
    Again:
    Being part of a set does not make the entire set equivalent to that part. Wahhabis are part of the Salafi groups which are in turn part of Sunnis which are in turn part of a group of people calling themselves Muslims, which in turn are part of monotheist people, which in turn part of a collection of people who call themselves followers of religion, which in turn can call them humans, etc.

    So how simple logic can be if you do not jump to conclusions?

    You are threatening me? What should I be warned about? What did I do wrong which deserves threats? Or even cause ”offense”?
    The dangerous use of clear language and logic?
    I bet!
    No superstition can stand against reason and logic. And that bothers you, even if you cannot follow logic yourself.
    You can get as offended as you like, that;s you problem for not understanding, people will not accept your threats.

  22. PERSONAL ATTACK ON AAFKE

    Rosemary,

    To follow american bedu blog rules (off topic), please meet me outside of this thread, on the Debate Page.

    Harry

  23. @Carol: No muslims would be turned away as it is everyones rite to perform Hajj, the only thing that sometimes raises some disagreement, is when some Muslims pray to Prophet Mohammeds (saw) grave or stand there asking help from him in prayer. Under Islamic belief system this falls under the category of Shirk Al Ibaadah (associating Patners with Allah in worship). Esencially its not allowed, some muslims who have not studied the teachings of Islam still follow this practise as they were taught by unaware sheikhs or imams or there family and simply do not know any better.

  24. Sorry typing mistake.i mean Muslims would NOT be turned away to perform hajj no matter what sect.

  25. American Bedu – I fail to understand why you would paint these defenitions as contentious issues.

    My understanding is that the bottom line for being classified as a Muslim is believing in “One God and Mohammed being the final messenger in a line of prophets”.

    I refer readers to the first few pages of the following link which provides a more comprehensive description than that provided by Bedu:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/22652672/The-500-most-influential-Muslims-in-the-world

    Thanks,

    D. E.

  26. David, Carol paints these as contentious issues because they are contentious issues. While the definition of a Muslim is simple and some embrace that definition, others become self righteous and “holier than thou” if you will against their fellow Muslims. They declare other Muslims kafir, they refer to other Muslims as being “outside the fold of Islam” due to this or that. It divides us and keeps us at odds with each other. It’s disgusting honestly. Why do you think there is so much sectarian violence amongst us? Why do Shia blow up Sunni mosques and vice versa? What is one of the undercurrent reasons that Bahrain and KSA have cracked down so hard on Shia protesters? Sincerely ask yourself these questions David. I have a habit of calling out my fellow Muslims for their judgments because the whole charade is getting quite old and suppressing any positive progress Muslims can make in this world. I honestly wish it were as simple as you said “believing in “One God and Mohammed being the final messenger in a line of prophets”.” Truth is that it’s not and it’s not because any of us Muslims fail to meet that definition; it is because we fail to accept each other and extend each other even an iota of tolerance.

  27. I believe Ahmadi Muslims are officially banned from Hajj. But many of them do find a way to perform Hajj.

  28. @california — who banned them? another human being i assume..

  29. Dania, it is not just to each other that Muslims “fail to accept each other and extend each other even an iota of tolerance” – think about the situation of Non-Muslims.

    Ask yourself why this is true. If you want, go back 1300+ years and look at the history of Islam and its divisions and bloody battles between Muslims over “truth”. The early Muslims were very good at killing each other over an interpretation of law or religious tradition.

    Bella, it is not so simple. At its core, Islamic theology is very fuzzy, mucho confusing. Muslims have not only associated partners with Allah, but for all practical purposes they have made Allah a junior partner to Mohammad. Let me say that I have never seen a Muslim upset over unkind words about Allah, but just mention their prophet and any one of 101 issues that people may have with his life and sayings and Muslim dandruff immediately covers the room. In simple terms, Mohammad is the only person in Islam that counts – more than Allah and more than the Quran. This is the reality of Islam. Yes, this is shirk, but the rules don’t apply to Mohammad.

    As to what exactly is a real Muslim, nobody knows. In theory its the shahada. In practice it is one who SUBMITS to the ideology of Islam and will not question it (my opinion).

    As a non-Muslim interested in islam and its effect on our world, the question of “good vs bad” Muslims bothers me a great deal. I know there are good Muslims, even if I cannot understand why one would remain in that religion, given the scriptures, ideology, history and practice of that faith (but I guess I could say the same about other religions and even the human race!).

    After years of thought, I have decided that a good Muslim is a person who will not only accept criticism of Islam, its writings and its prophet, but who will also agree that there are issues with these. By issues, I mean that a person is willing to recognize that 1. many many verses in the Quran are insulting, derogatory and untrue about non-Muslims, and 2. that a person will agree that the life of Mohammad contains many episodes and actions that are unjust and just plain evil.

    If a Muslim will not accept those terms, I would then agree that he/she is a regular, or real, or whatever Muslim, not a good one. The problem with this is that the ‘good’ Muslim (in my definition) would not be a Muslim at all under the usually accepted standards.

    As to the ancillary names/groups associated with the concept of “Muslims” – well, for once, the Saudis are pretty liberal. It seems that almost any group that accepts the Quran as a divine message and Mohammad as an important messenger (note the use of the indefinite articles), and pays the appropriate fees, gets to visit the Holy Cities and do the Hajj – which makes them Muslims by inclusion and definition.

    Even a vile racist like Farrakan and his Nation of Islam is a “real Muslim” by this standard.

  30. Jay, I gotta tell you, the way you have responded to this post has actually made me (for once) want to respond to you and engage in conversation. You have a lot of criticism of Islam which is your right but honestly sometimes you do so in a way that is so aggressive and volatile that you fail to get through to any Muslims (which I believe is part of your intent?). Just food for thought that your writing style here is much more inviting. Take it or leave it.

    You said “it is not just to each other that Muslims “fail to accept each other and extend each other even an iota of tolerance” – think about the situation of Non-Muslims. Ask yourself why this is true.” My response was directly to the topic of the post which asks about Muslims. So, maybe if this topic arises on another post in the future I will share my opinion about this with you.

    “If you want, go back 1300+ years and look at the history of Islam and its divisions and bloody battles between Muslims over “truth”. The early Muslims were very good at killing each other over an interpretation of law or religious tradition.” This reinforces my point. Nothing has changed 1300+ later hence my comment on having tolerance toward each other. Religion in general has a very ugly history of intolerance toward other religions. I just rewatched the movie “Agora” (good movie by the way) which addressed the Christians versus Jews versus pagans in Roman Alexandria during the time of the philosopher Hypatia and I was reminded of how ugly religious people can be… Muslims not excluded.

    I disagree with a “good” Muslim being willing to tell you their religion has issues. I don’t go around defining Catholics for example (and from an Islamic perspective) as “good” only if they recognize that they practice polytheism by worshiping saints and recognize that the history of their religion is on questionable grounds. In this day and age, I think a “good” religious person is one who possesses strong morality and basically minds their own business.

    “2. that a person will agree that the life of Mohammad contains many episodes and actions that are unjust and just plain evil.” Well, Jay, perhaps you should look at the prophet of the Abrahamic religions individual histories and ask the same from those who follow Moses and especially Joseph. I’m honestly unsure of the Jews have Joseph in their history after Moses but I know these names exist in Christianity and Islam. So many of the prophets have a history of “episodes and actions” that I don’t understand why the criticism lies with Muhammed alone. He was far less of a warrior prophet (for lack of a better term) than several who came before him. Like I said, religion has an ugly history. “If a Muslim will not accept those terms, I would then agree that he/she is a regular, or real, or whatever Muslim, not a good one.” Again, this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to. If a Muslim lives a peaceful, tolerant, moral life without displays of questionable actions or violence or anything like that, assimilates well into their community, is a good citizen, etc. then why can that person not be considered a “good” Muslim? This should be equivalent to being a good person no? They have harmed no one and kept their beliefs to themselves, led a stand up moral life and don’t judge others for their beliefs. ????

    I actually agree with you about the current day Muslims revere the prophet to a point of insanity. Islam tells them the opposite. Another way Muslims have taken their religion in the opposite direction.

  31. @Radha

    Ahmadiyya Muslims were declared to be “non muslim” in Pakistan several decades ago. They are banned from performing Hajj among other things as a result. Interestingly, one of the leading intellectuals in Pakistan, Mohammad Abdus Salam, who won the Nobel prize for Physics was an Ahmadiyya. He moved to Britain because of persecution.

  32. @california — exactly, it’s one human ( or muslim) how muslim the other should be to be allowed to do Hajj..
    If i were a ahmadiyya i’d ask them to take a toss too.. This infighting between various sects and people judging others is high .

    I agree w/ dania, 100% if a muslim lives a peaceful, life helping others and doing no harm, his faith is no ones business.. if he is a good human and citizen then that is all we should worry about, let god decide if he was a good muslim or not..
    unfortunately muslims like i mentioned before — especially some self-appointed trusees of the religion come across as v judgemental.. guess everyone wants to play god

  33. @Dania

    Dania,

    You are a refreshing presence on this forum indeed in explaining your faith to fellow muslims and others,
    After reading your various posts/responses, especially to Jay, I have decided to change my writing style also to be far less “aggressive” and “volatile” in my postings/responses.

    From hereon, hopefully you will see a new improved Harry. As one human being to another, thank you Dania!

    Harry

  34. Harry…

    That is one of the nicest things I have ever heard someone say on these posts…

  35. Harry I agree with Oby that that is one of the best compliments I have ever read on this forum and indeed I appreciate it so much. Sincerely, it means a lot to me I just want you to know that. Looking forward to great conversations with you!

  36. Oby ‘Harry…
    That is one of the nicest things I have ever heard someone say on these posts…’

    Yeah, me too and I WON’T HAVE IT, I tell you!! 😉

  37. I am feeling all rosy…
    I think Dania is the cutest and so I will not point our all the things that were wrong with your comment..
    :mrgreen:
    The sun is shining, the air smells sweet, and I am making a beautiful painting right now.
    Sorry Lynn…

  38. lol thanks Aafke… you can’t see right now but I’m totally blushing 🙂

  39. Aafke, I suggest you settle down and re-read my comment. I was being VERY playful. I was not serious. You completely missed the mark and missed the laugh! What do you think all the smileys were about? Sorry, you didn’t get my sense of humor but there is nothing wrong with my logic and my previous comment wasn’t muddled.

    And Harry this has nothing do to with you. There was no personal attack. Unlike you, I do not attack anyone when I leave comments. Never. I was teasing her, nothing more, nothing less.

    Now you’ve both ruined my playful mood today. 😦

  40. Debate page, what?, for crying out loud!…

  41. Well, Rosemary, I can only come to the conclusion that you not only lack any capacity for logical thinking, you also lack any sense of humor.
    Not to mention an un-understandable lack of any basic knowledge of the proper use of emoticons.

    All in all it seems useless to debate with you, you are all over the page, and cannot even write something funny without being misunderstood by everybody who reads it.

    But of course it wasn’t funny, you ‘re trying to weasel out of it because it was a bad comment.
    If I were you I would stop drawing attention to it.

  42. Oh, Aafke, stop being so mean. I thought that she was probably just messin’ with ya. and Harry was just lookin’ for some trouble (I think that post was pre-body being snatched).

    Now, {{{GROUP HUG}}}

  43. See, what I mean…no apology from Aafke just more insults regarding my intelligence. You are proving yourself to be very arrogant here over a simple, silly matter. Thank you.

    Not trying to weasel out of a thing. My comment was a joke. I never claimed to actually be funny. No crime in that you know. When I made that comment to you I had just read the Blog rules thread; it was fun and I was in a playful mood and gave you a jab on what otherwise was a fairly serious topic (who are real Muslims). I am not the only reader who has been guilty of joking around when they really don’t have much to add to a particular conversation.

    And I am not ‘drawing attention” to anything. YOU AND HARRY attacked me. I am responding to your lack of a sense of humor and unnecessary drama. Obviously if Lynn thought I was joking I am not “being misunderstood by everybody who reads it.”. But you know what? I honestly don’t give a flying fuddruckers if you get my brand of sarcasm or not. Take it or leave it buddy, this rabbit is not going to hide in a hole for you!

    And read the comment I posted on the debate page. Not everything needs debating especially something as inane as this! Complete waste of time! You and Harry need to lighten up.

    End of.

  44. I think Aafke’s posting of the song on the other post was a kind of hug, wasn’t it, Aafke? 😉 (I know that I was never trained in proper usage of emoticons but I will still use them once in a while) }:-)

  45. Is there an emoticon for a ‘cheeky wee buggar’?

  46. oops, forgot, that was my brother that was a cheeky wee buggar, I was a cheeky wee witch. (miss ya mom 🙂 )

  47. I wouldn’t dream of apologizing for somebody else’s bad comment, or bad sense of humor.
    I only apologize for my own.

  48. And nor would you dream of apologizing for overreacting to someone’s bad joke! Get over it already!

    Oh screw emoticons! And you can stuff your apology and your silly videos!

    Go check out Otis I referred to on debate, much better than your tubbies. Something about Otis, I tell ya! Dreamy… 🙂

  49. OMG Teletubbie Torture!

  50. 😈

    You know, when I finished my Masters degree in England I was happy that when I went back to the Netherlands, one good thing would be that I would be free of the Teletubbies.
    Not knowing that they had gone globally viral…. 😦

  51. My parents had brought my kids some Teletubbies things from their 1998 trip ‘hame’ (Scotland) where they were really hot but thankfully I don’t recall ever being subjected to watching them on televsion. But there was no way that those Teletubbies had ANYthing on Barney at least in my kids’ eyes! I love you, you love me, we’re a happy family… So much for brainwashing, eh?

  52. As Muslims, we have some real work to do in getting away from judging each other, our faith, and our relationship with Allah. Go back, people, and read the Quran. Study the Sunnah and Hadith. Everything we need to know about proper conduct as Muslims and decent human beings is right there in front of us. We should all be concerned with our own conduct first and getting THAT right, since Allah will judge us all individually for our own faith, sins, good deeds, and intentions – not for those of anyone else…

  53. 🙄

    How was that for appropriate? lol

  54. Telebubbbies? Hmm. Are they still around?

    I thought they were all personally beheaded by Osama bin Laden on December 31, 2001. Except Tinky Winky who was stoned to death, for being gay. Based upon a fatwa issued by Reverend Shaykh Jerry Falwell.

    Their bodies were disposed off in accordance with full wahabi rites ….

    After smiting their necks with a sharp sword, Osama personally smoted their bodies into two with a sharp sword. And then their smoted heads and necks were taken from thence and burned to ashes and ashes scattered before the four winds of jahanum. Rest of their wretched bodies were buried deep into the bowels of the Saudi Arabian – Pakistani Sea. So that no more rememberance might be had of so vile and wicked wretches as they could be.

    They sleep with the fishies now …..

    Inna Lillah Hey Wa Inna Alahai Rajayoon …..

  55. @Dania, I really enjoy your comments and way of explaining issues and views!

    I think this is time for an American Bedu “group hug” and an “aha” moment.

    When I was in Pakistan I met some individuals who follow the ‘Ahmadiyah’ sect. It saddens me that these families have been trying for years to perform hajj but have been denied from doing so. Hence, my question whether readers knew of other Muslims prevented or denied from hajj or umrah.

    To all: Sorry for my absence from the blog. I’m catching up now on all the comments from various posts. They make interesting and at times, entertaining reading!

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