Saudi Arabia: Begging in Makkah

 

It was not unusual to see children and women begging in Makkah.  Usually they were from African countries.  The women would sit outside of a Makkah supermarket in their abaya and niqab with their head down and hand out.  Many times the woman would hold a young baby in her arms.  Saudis and non-Saudis generally stopped and gave her a riyal.  The children would typically be at a busy intersection or near the Haram (Grand Mosque).  The children might try to sell bottles of water or just reach out to passers-by holding out their cupped hands.

 

As Ramadan approaches the number of beggars will likely increase.  They know that during Ramadan people want to be even more charitable and will likely give even more.

 

Most of the beggars and especially the children beggars have become professional beggars.  This recent article in Arab News describes in detail how expatriates from poorer countries have made their way to Saudi Arabia and teach their young children how to become professional beggars.  The children are also coached by their mother or father what to say if they are questioned by the authorities.  Sadly, many of the parents would rather “sell out” their child if the child is apprehended by the authorities rather than come forward and claim their child.  Not surprisingly many of the child beggars feel trapped and grow resentful of their parents.  These children are not stupid; they can see that their parents are using them.

 

Instead of a life with laughter and innocence these children have become slaves to their parents and are oftentimes abused in other ways as well.

 

I’d like to see the parents deported and the children placed in an orphanage until he or she could be adopted by a loving family.  That would also be a wonderful way to show zakat and a true spirit of Ramadan.

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57 Responses

  1. We have the beggars in Tabuk, also. They sit outside the grocery stores. Since the women are completely covered, nationality is undetermined. The women, with children are dropped off around 9AM and arrive in a newer BMW or Mercedes.

  2. Begging isn’t approved in Islam, but these days nobody really cares about religion anymore. Its sad! I have started seeing beggars in Al Khobar as well, they were very rare earlier.

  3. It is sad and bad news for Saudi Kingdom who can not cope with this problem. it has to be stopped. The only way is, to deported to their origional countries or the agents who bring them must be heavily fined and punished. their licenses must be cancelled.
    if BIG ARABS are involved, it is bad luck for the kingdom.

  4. The best solution is , the people who are found giving them money or any thing in the name of charity must be punished. I believe the police department of the kingdom can do it, without any problem.

  5. Your solutions all sound a bit sad to me. Deport them and send them away so you don’t have to see them. That is very, very sad. Do you think the children will have a better life if they are deported? Do you think the people who are sending their children out to beg will have a better life? I also understand there are Saudi nationals begging because of divorce, abuse at home that has caused them to flee, etc. etc. etc. Carol, you should know better than that. We would have the same problems in North America if we didn’t have agencies to help out with the parents and the children.

  6. Round them all up. incl parents.. setup established homes/ plce themthere. force educationon kids, some kind of job apprenticeship onthe parents and let those who want to give zakat give to these centers..

    This is not impossible , it however required considerable effort by good samaritans,organization, good help by govt and a few considerate resourceful individuals and patience to get thru a whole lot of red tape and wasta…
    other than that i see no solution, there are hundereds of org ready to do this, but based on affiliation will probably not be allowed int he kingdom…

  7. ‘force educationon kids, some kind of job apprenticeship onthe parents and let those who want to give zakat give to these centers’

    But would they really be willing to do that for people that aren’t even their own? I don’t think even the US has schools and apprenticeship programs for known illegal aliens. But I would seriously question how they would deport a 10 yr old child without even knowing who he is? Seriously? They don’t go to the mother who denied the kid and check her papers to see if she is legal or take a DNA test or something to prove that she is the mother? Something about that story just seems very fishy.

  8. Lynn…

    Illegals do indeed attend schools in the USA from elementary right up to college. In Texas alone it is estimated that between 3-8% of the children are illegal costing between 1 to 3.5 billion tax dollars a year. There has been a big argument about offering reduced tuition to illegals for college. But who could imagine if it could happen in Saudi. The US’s reasoning is if you educate the illegals they will go on to be less of a burden on the taxpayers in the future…not sure if there is any data to support that theory.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186876,00.html

    http://www.vosizneias.com/85098/2011/06/06/washington-illegal-alien-tuition-breaks-allowed-by-u-s-high-court/

    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04733.pdf

  9. I agree with Carol. Although I have not seen many child beggers in the Middle East, I see it is becoming such a problem. Children in Tajikistan are especially being exploited.
    I will never forget a situation in Italy, where a young girl went around hitting people, even before sbe asked them for money. In this southern town in Italy, I had children in packs asking for money. It is quite scary to see them raised to see a cruel world.
    I am surprised to hear that this happens in KSA. I thought everyone is looked through with a fine tooth and coob before entering. Perhaps there should be some revision as to handle those prone to sending their children out in the streets.

  10. Many African nationals come to KSA for umrah or hajj but with the intent to overstay. They all attempt to find work and send their children to beg. This is where I’d like to see the parents deported but the children put in orphanages until they can go to a home where they are loved and can just be a child.

    I’ve seen organized begging in many places in the world. I think the Romanians have the art of begging and pickpocketing down pat. There are children in India who are purposely kept in cages so their body would be malformed under the premise that the child will draw more sympathy and bring in more money begging.

  11. aliadlw: “Begging isn’t approved in Islam ….”

    Many sheiks would disagree with you. They base it on many koranic verses and hadith which do not differentiate between “professional” and “needy” beggars or between adult and child beggars.

    These scholars argue that when one looks at some verses of the Koran and the Hadith, one sees that it is necessary to give something to the person who begs and not to reject him. When the ways of righteousness are listed in the koran, the beggars are mentioned along with relatives, orphans, the needy and the wayfarers (2:177). Since zakat/almsgiving is also mentioned in the same verse after beggars, it should be something other than zakat i.e. sadaka. In addition, when the characteristics of righteous people who deserve the blessings in paradise are listed in two verses, the phrase “in their wealth and possessions, the right of the (needy), he who asked and him who was prevented from asking” is used (51:19; (70:25). Also, there is another verse that says, “do not repulse the seeker” (10).

    According to scholars’ interpretation of hadith, prophet always gave something to people who asked him kindly during his life; he even gave to those who asked rudely by saying “they made me choose between giving them some goods and being stingy, by using those rude words. I am not stingy.” Other hadith that scholars cite are: “None of you should refuse a person who seeks something from you and should give him/her something even if he sees two gold bracelets on his/her arm “. “If the beggars would not tell lies, those who refused them would be harmed”. “Give something (even if it is very little) to the beggar or send him away with nice words; because he may be an angel who visits you to see how you use the blessings and bounties that Allah granted you.”

    I have never been to saudi arabia (and have no desire to do so) but my family and I have lived in India/Pakistan on government business during the 70s. The “beggar” situation is much worse there. One gets deluged with beggars at traffic lights, outside of shops, street corners, mazars/shrines, etc. We always felt sorry and guilty for not giving and we always did. Wonder what happens to all the zakat monies that are collected in these muslim countries???? Have read quite a few news reports that there is lot of corruption in the distribution of zakat monies and that it never reaches the poor people.

  12. when I was in India begger children were all over the place especially being a nonindian they seem to be able to smell me from blocks away. Often, besides being bedraggled and sad looking they had orange hair. Over and over I saw it. I finally inquired why they had orange hair. My husband being an MD told me that it was a sign of malnourishment and starvation. That there was a severe protein breakdown in the body (if I remember right). I remember looking for the orange hair as “proof” that they were truly needy vs. a possible scam sent out by their parents to earn money. Kind of sad really, but even in the world of begging I guess there is a heirarchy of need.

  13. Read up on India and the Beggar Masters sometimes. Very sad.

  14. I really do not know where to start.

    So, I will type two “points”. The first is that the vast majority of you are making me feel physically ill. The lack of compassion and understanding of the situtation (on both adoption and begging/poverty) is very sad.

    The second ties into the first in that I often wonder why people bother to have opinions and then state those opinions when they clearly do not understand the situation at all.

    For example, putting the kids in orphanages until a loving family comes? Are you (the general you) not aware that Islam does not allow adoptions but rather guardanships? That even with guardanships other countries would not accept the guardanship From KSA as legal and so if a non-Saudi “adopted” a child they would have to turn the child back if they ever left KSA? The psychological damage of begging compounded with having a family (again) and being abandoned (again) or never being seen as “real” family (if taken in by a Saudi Islam states they would have to cover up after the boy reached puberty), it is too much of a mess to be such a simple answer.

    If such a policy was inacted we would quickly end up with what happened in the UK and Ireland– the church taking children away from perfectly good families and sending them to be adopted (or abused by orphanages) all because the church decided these families were not Christian enough (poor, young family, single family, did not attend church).

    Giving women and children equal rights everywhere, fighting poverty, education, and helping to ease the power balance of society is the only way to ease these problems. But this will take time and effort and it is not something most people want.

    Orphanages, deporting, and jail are only prolonging the problem.

  15. Not only prolonging the problem but simply removing it so one does not have to think about it, see it or do anything about it. I am thinking this is how ME countries react to most things.

  16. Oby, I know that there are plenty of illegal aliens attending school in this country. Everyone knows that BUT the schools don’t. If they did they would be deported. Thing is, you don’t have to show a birth certificate to attend school here so it’s not like an illegal goes up and says ‘Hi, I just snuck in from Mexico and now I want to go to school now where do I sign up?’

    I read the articles that you posted and the complaint is that illegals are getting in state tuition but US Citizens that don’t live in that state DO. But that is only because they are on record as being residents of that state because of the previous schools that they attended. In the article it did say that many illegals are afraid to attempt to attend school in case they be found out.

    ‘The US’s reasoning is if you educate the illegals they will go on to be less of a burden on the taxpayers in the future…’

    Actually, that was not the US’s reasoning, it was the reasoning of the people who are trying to pass the Dream Act. Note I said TRYING, it has never passed yet. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/94791/20101223/obama-to-push-for-dream-act-again-in-2011.htm

  17. @Zafi – ‘If such a policy was inacted we would quickly end up with what happened in the UK and Ireland– the church taking children away from perfectly good families and sending them to be adopted (or abused by orphanages) all because the church decided these families were not Christian enough (poor, young family, single family, did not attend church)’

    When did this happen?

    ‘Giving women and children equal rights everywhere, fighting poverty, education, and helping to ease the power balance of society is the only way to ease these problems. But this will take time and effort and it is not something most people want’

    How does Saudi Arabia force Bangladesh or Pakistan or wherever these beggars are coming from to do that? Do you think that it is right for someone to come into your home and live off of you just because they don’t like how their life is in their own home?

    Do you think that every country should just take in who ever wants to come even though they don’t have a means to support themselves?

    When children are found with their arm cut off or living in cages in order to get deformed enough so that they can get better sympathy thus assuring more donations, should they be left with the parents that did that to them or should they get a chance at a life with a family that will love and support them? Not everyone in the world is Muslim and there are plenty of people that ARE willing to take them into their home and love them as if they are their own.

  18. Lynn, read the book called A Fine Balance by Rohinton Mistry. Orphanages are usually not the answer either. People want the perfect baby/child. They do not want older damaged children and that is very unfortunate. The orphanages are full of them everywhere.

  19. Wendy, I think we are talking about NON-Saudis that come in order to make money off of the high numbers of visitors there. So it isn’t just an issue of kids being abused and neglected but also about trafficking. How do you put a stop to that if you don’t take the kids off of the streets when they are found begging?

    If they can’t be adopted and orphanages aren’t the answer what do you think should be done? Just ignore these maimed kids and let them live as slaves to their heartless masters? If people did not give to them then their masters would not continue to use them.

  20. Life is not perfect. I wonder if there are even orphanages in KSA? There are problems all over the world. There is no easy solution but in areas where these things happen orphanages or care agencies are few and far between. What annoys me are the Saudi nationals who are so upset about the beggars. They are there for a reason so perhaps they should be helped instead of shunned, etc.

  21. No, they shouldn’t be shunned they should be picked up and put into orphanages and educated so they they have a chance to become something.

  22. Read this for an example of KSA orphanages
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/10/saudi-girls-flogged-orphan-director-_n_860022.html
    Apart from that you can’t just take children from their parents for no good reason. Begging is not a reason. Being homeless is not a reason as long as the parents are doing what they can for the child. If you are living in the west you could not just take kids from parents on the streets I doubt that the USA and Canada agencies are cruising the streets taking away children from destitute parents. They can’t just do that. Why should they be able to do that in KSA?
    Here are these poor destitute people in the Islamic center of the universe where Islam reigns and people who should really be caring about those who have less and are so unfortunate as to have to beg are wanting them removed from their sight. That is what I find so disgusting.

  23. ‘If you are living in the west you could not just take kids from parents on the streets’

    But the mother denied the kid when they called her. So now what? Just put the kid back on the street?

    ‘Here are these poor destitute people in the Islamic center of the universe where Islam reigns and people who should really be caring about those who have less and are so unfortunate as to have to beg are wanting them removed from their sight.’

    Sure, that IS disgusting if all they care about is having them removed from their sight. But what if they want them off of the streets because they are a part of scam? How do you feel when these poor, destitute people drive off in a Mercedes Benz to their huge mansions?

    Are there any ‘soup kitchens’ in KSA?

  24. There would not be such a flood of foreigners into Saudi to beg- if it were not for the fact that in general the Saudi’s are very generous to those on the streets. As bad as this is- it’s apparently such a big step up that people are willing to leave their home countries to live in Saudi.

    As for the trafficing in children- they need to get them off the street. As long as it is a money-making enterprise it will continue. As will the maiming of children. It’s a very difficult situation with no easy solution.

  25. Couple of weeks ago, I saw an excellent indian movie, The Beginnings, on begging as a small business enterprise. In this poignant drama, the basic message is that beggars do and can aspire to a more productive life in the streets of Mumbai. Hope y’all enjoy it as much as I did!

  26. I can’t imagine soup kitchens in KSA but perhaps there are. I simply don’t like the harsh light put on them on this thread. There are criminal elements in all walks of life and begging is not excluded in that in many countries around the world. Sad but true. Still you can’t paint them all with the same brush and you can’t condemn them all either. Remember the saying “There but for the grace of God go I.”

  27. The only solution I can imagine is to create safe houses and schools for these poor children, where they will find a safe place to live, loving care, a good education, and a chance of a bright future.
    I know such places exist in other countries.

  28. Yes, they have them in India. If wishes were dreams KSA would have them too but then who would look after the children. Women? They can’t leave their houses. Men?? LOL!!!!! Servants? The country is so FUBAR.

  29. I don’t disagree Aafke- but how many countries set this up for illegal aliens? And would doing so only increase the flood of illegal aliens into their country? Even deporting them can be an issue- many illegals “lose” their ID and their native countries won’t take them back without Saudi “proving” that they are their citizens.

    I do think ideally all children should be rescued from these situations globally however. I just don’t see the easy way to do it. Except of course, to improve global conditions for children in the countries where they originate.

  30. ‘but how many countries set this up for illegal aliens?’

    That’s the thing. It would be completely different if they were Saudi nationals or even legal residents of the country. If KSA wants to harbor all the impoverished people of the world then they should give them homes and monthly allowances. If they don’t want to take care of them then they need to protect their cities and their citizens from being bombarded by them whether it is deportation or orphanages or homeless shelters or welfare and education.

    There are different reasons for beggars on the streets and of course each circumstance would have to be dealt with accordingly. It doesn’t have anything to do with being heartless but rather the opposite. I think it is heartless to allow children to be used to get $$ when it is the parent’s responsibility to care for them. When they maim the kids just so they can get more $$ then that sounds like cause for stoning.

  31. I’ve heard of children being maimed in India and under control of ‘beggar masters’ but is that happening in KSA??
    Do the beggars make the citizens feel uncomfortable??
    You bet it does!!!! Should people be removed for that reason?
    Not on your life!!!
    Should these people who are upset about the sight of the beggars do something?
    Of course they should!!!
    Organize something. Talk to one of the many, many, many mosques and get them to get help for the people. Do something to get aid for these people!

    Of course this is KSA so it won’t probably happen but that is what SHOULD happen if those uncomfortable people were following their religion and being kind, charitable and looking out for their fellow humans.

  32. @Wendy,
    The children are foreign and are maimed and smuggled into Saudi because the Saudi people on the whole are generous and open their wallets to these people. I would say these Saudi- Muslims are apparently being more kind and charitable than the people in the home countries of these children- and more so than many people world-wide.

  33. Okay, that’s good that the Saudis are looking after them. They can afford to do it!!!!!
    I do hear of people who save up every penny they can to do Haj and then stay behind because they are so poor and believing that their beloved Mecca and all that it means will look after them.
    I am doubting that there are hundreds and hundreds of foreign and maimed children being smuggled into KSA so that someone can profit from the deed. It undoubtedly happens as it does everywhere but I doubt that these beggars make up the majority.
    I would love to see the statistics on divorced or widowed Saudi National women who are forced to beg because they have no other recourse. Or the worker who was brought in and abused/not paid who escaped a bad employer and is now begging.

  34. And what about child brides? What would a 13-year old do if she was sold off at ten years to a decrepit pedophile who died 3 years later leaving her all alone, non-virgin so no market-value, with no education and no money and no future? What if his family is not interested in keeping the kids? How many uneducated poor Saudi beggars are being produced this way?

  35. Doubt what you like Wendy. I often see 4 maimed African children at a single intersection each working a different direction of traffic. And I don’t think the handouts they get really help their situation. They are making the money for someone else. There are some local beggers but most- at least in Jeddah are foreign.

    Saudi people are generally generous. But I don’t think that these children are being “looked after”- nor do I think Saudi’s are generally rich enough to support them well- or that handouts to organized gangs of beggers is an efficient means of doing so. It’s a far more complicated issue than that.

  36. So what is your solution Sandy???

  37. I don’t have a solution- but that doesn’t mean I just blame Saudi’s for it.

  38. Wendy, what is it that we are looking for a solution to?

    Poverty? Children being sold and then maimed by people who want to use them for their ‘sympathy factor’ so that they can afford their fancy cars and rich lifestyle? Widows having everything taken from them and being forced to beg? Child merchants peddling junk to tourists?

    Do we have an statistics that begging on the streets actually HELPS? I don’t think so. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach him to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. No?

    So, yes, if you see a child on the streets begging then pick him up and take him in and investigate. Find out WHY he is on the streets instead of in school or off playing as a child should be and deal with it accordingly. It SHOULD be illegal to give $$ to a maimed child beggar on the street. If they didn’t get money for their owners then the practice would stop, no? I don’t give money to any beggars on the street (unless they are ringing a Salvation Army bell or performing somehow) but I WILL give him my leftover food that I am carrying out from the restaurant as I always have at least half of my meal left over.

  39. @Lynn, you are right. As long as their is money to be made from maimed children they will go on maiming them. I only like to give to organized charities- or sometimes especially during Ramadan I will buy extra food and give that to the begging children.

  40. Please don’t ask me to comment on your giving food that you’ve half eaten to a beggar. We do give to beggars upon occasion and we do carry GCs from McDonalds, etc. to give.
    This topic started with the suggestion that beggars be gotten rid of in some way … deported or whatever.
    Not giving to the maimed child only hurts the maimed child. His ‘master’ may profit but the child will eat.

    I don’t have a solution except to take care of the needy in whatever way possible. What I didn’t like about this topic was the idea that the beggars should be removed because it is not pleasant to have them around.
    If KSA is having illegals remaining in the country then those officials responsible should be made responsible. There are certainly head counts for people coming in for Haj so those same head counts should be in place for the exit if that’s the problem. KSA is one of the most difficult countries to get into after all so it shouldn’t be so hard to track illegals. Perhaps the true fact is that there are many, many more Saudi National beggars than one would like to imagine but it’s so much easier to say the beggars are from away isn’t it?

  41. NO Wendy. While I am sure there are more local beggars than people like to talk about there are HOARDS of foreign ones. You seem to be willfully ignorant about this. There is a HUGE border that is not guarded. Very few westerners want to cross in from Yemen but for people from Africa sneaking in it isn’t that hard. And their are networks set up to recieve them. I grew up in California and their illegal population doesn’t seem under control either. Apparently Saudi isn’t the only country that stuggles with this. Europe too. This is a global issue.

    Yes they count the heads going out. And they aren’t all there.

  42. ‘Please don’t ask me to comment on your giving food that you’ve half eaten to a beggar’

    If they are hungry they will be fed and the food would be MUCH more nutritious than McDonalds which should ALSO be made illegal! LOL

    The beggars that we have here (in Michigan) are not the type that are maimed children etc. They are drug addicts or alcoholics and any money that I would give them would only enable their addiction and I will NOT contribute to that.

    Sandy, When we cross the border to Mexico you are immediately surrounded by poverty and begging (at least 30 or so years ago from a Texas border) but I don’t believe that they were on the streets of Brownsville Texas. Are they on the streets in California? I thought the Mexicans hung out at Home Depot looking for work rather than sending their kids out to beg for alms in a foreign country.

  43. Sadly it is relatively easy for a person to lose themselves in Makkah or nearby Jeddah. As Sandy said, their are networks already in place so pilgrims who do not plan to return know where to go. I also agree that the majority of beggars are foreign and predominantly from African countries.

    Thankfully when it becomes known that a Saudi is begging, the Saudi is usually directed or taken to an equivalent of social services where support is provided.

    Illegal beggars do not want to be apprehended for they know they would be deported; hence why when many of the child beggars are taken to the police the parents claim no knowledge of the child if phoned. Yet it does make one wonder if the child is old enough to know a cell phone, he or she probably knows name and nationality so maybe the police could work through the embassy to have the family sent back home. I do not think it should be Saudi’s responsibility to take in and support illegals.

    Many of the illegal women will find a job as a housemaid. Because they have overstayed, they will usually work for far less than the going rate. The family (both Saudis and non-Saudis) are aware they have taken in an illegal and are willing to take the risk of doing so in order to have an affordable housemaid. Illegal housemaids may even become more popular with the new rules in place prohibiting housemaids from Indonesia and Phillipines.

  44. Is it illegal to employ an illegal housemaid? If so what would the punishment be?

  45. Yes; it is illegal. If caught, the housemaid would be deported. The employer could be arrested and/or fined.

  46. Logistically speaking, I would imagine that it’d be difficult to keep track of the millions of people who come to KSA for hajj &/or ummrah each year.

    As for homeless people in the US, not all of them are druggies and alcoholics. Some have other health problems/addictions (such as depression, etc.) while still others are simply just lazy. A few handful actually just need assistance to help them through difficult times. There are children on the streets in the US that may not have anything wrong with them other than that they had the misfortune to have a dead-beat (or whatever the case may be) as a parent. You’d think that (In the US at least) social services would get involved, but not every case is reported as not every case is made public. Besides, sometimes people live out of their cars and hotel-hop in such a way that they may not be truly “homeless” but still don’t have a true place to call home. I have also heard that beggars in certain US cities can make more than enough to pay for a hotel room each night and eat well, though this is certainly not the case everywhere.

    I honestly don’t care if illegal immigrants come into whatever foreign country as long as they are honest and willing to work hard. In fact, I much prefer this to lazy natives.

    I don’t like giving money to beggars, but I am all for buying them a meal or whatever else they may need. However, there are exceptions to every rule.

  47. No. Very little child begging in California. The illegal problem manifests itself differently here- but is still very real.

    I do see a lot of homeless these days- and I know not all are alcoholics/druggies etc. There are a lot of homeless Americans these days.

  48. I certainly didn’t mean to suggest that all homeless people are drug addicts and/or alcoholics because of course that is not true but it IS a good percentage of them.

    Where are you seeing all the homeless? How do you know they are homeless? And, hey, how come I thought you were living in KSA?

    I know there’s a lot of illegals in the country but I didn’t think that they came to beg on the streets. I think they try to stay as low key as they can so that they don’t get caught.

  49. I can’t abide illegals — anywhere. I know it’s harsh but after coming in legally adn struggling to get a GC , i get mad at people cheating the system and slinking in.. so what does that make us — IDIOTS ??

    I understand the poor socio-economic cond, sick parents, etc., etc., but that is no justification to lie and cheat into anotehr country? but hey i don’t make the laws…

    so beggars if illegal need to be deported, however little and forced they may be, maybe if they are sent back consistently they won’t try coming after a couple of attempts? i don’t blame the kids but there are alot of parents onthis planet who’s reproductive rights should be curtailed … you maim a child or set a child to begging, then that’s it.. child is taken and your option ot beget more is bye-bye..but then who will say that in public ??

  50. I will!! lol

  51. @Lynn, sorry for the confusion. I get all my pronouns mixed up. I live in Saudi- but am currently visiting family in Cali. When I’m here- I feel like I’ve never left.

    @Radha- I don’t completely disagree- but part of Saudi’s problem is they can’t always tell where the person came from and they don’t coorporate and the countries of origin don’t either. I think they don’t mind losing some of their people to Saudi. I think the people managing the maimed child rings are not the parents. But I think they should be put out of business when caught. It is really hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact people do that kind of thing.

  52. Came a cross a rather wonderful quote that is a good one for this topic.

    You can judge the character of others by how they treat those who can do nothing to them or for them.
    Malcolm Forbes (1919 – 1990)

  53. This article was posted in the Saudi Gazette and addresses both begging and illegal housemaids:

    http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=20110712105039

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  55. Good article and link to add to this post. Thanks, Lynn.

  56. Here’s a story about some of the ‘beggars’ that arrive in KSA. Read it and weep for them. If they weren’t starving in their own countries you can be sure they’d not be heading to such an un-empathetic country.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/07/2011715102915967252.html

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