Saudi Arabia: Facing the Arab Winter

The Arab winter has begun and reminds me of a covey of falcons are focused on devouring their prey.

It appears that Egypt’s “democratic elections” will likely result with the Muslim Brotherhood rising in power and ruling the country.

Syria continues to be a battleground of multiple agendas by outside forces.  Turkey’s leader and Jordan’s King among others have asked for Assad to step down. However it appears that Assad is determined to hang on like Qadaffi and Saddam.  We all know what happened to them.

Kuwait’s cabinet resigns causing political unrest and uncertainty.

Life has not been all calm and tranquil in Saudi Arabia either.  On 27 November a tank drove into a group of protesters in Qatif which is located in Saudi’s Eastern Province.  Four inidivduals were killed. The Kingdom categorically forbids all sorts of demonstrations and police are “authorized by law to take all measures needed against those who try to break the law.”

Saudi security forces withdrew from the Shia’a village of Qatif on 28 November. The move appeared aimed at reducing friction with the kingdom’s minority Shiites on the first day of Ashura.

Four Shiites were shot dead last week. The interior ministry said security forces had come under fire from gunmen operating on “foreign orders,” hinting at involvement by Saudi’s arch rival Iran.

There is no doubt that it is going to be an interesting Arab winter.

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27 Responses

  1. I recently read a book about an American man who lived in KSA during the ’80s. It was interesting to compare what he told about it then to things I read from you and others about KSA now. He mentioned how poorly the Shiites were treated back then and I see not much has changed. Sad.

  2. Why anybody expected anything but more of the same, I don’t know. Take my word for it: there will be no ‘Arab Spring’, no liberalization, no democracy, no respect for others, no real improvement of the human condition ……

    Until people respect the truth, themselves and others, until people reflect on issues without blaming others and until people are willing to question mindless, endless dogma. It takes more than cute words to effect real and positive change.

  3. susanne430, on November 30, 2011 at 5:16 am said:

    I recently read a book about an American man who lived in KSA during the ’80s. It was interesting to compare what he told about it then to things I read from you and others about KSA now. He mentioned how poorly the Shiites were treated back then and I see not much has changed. Sad.

    susanne430 ,First dont belive in what others say ,go to saudi and see it your self if you are soo interested .(i wonder why are nonmuslism so curious about a tiny country when there are many small countries to worry about in africa?

    Shias have every right as other saudis have ,they run companies own bussinesses.

  4. Sometimes i think dictatorship is what that place needs . For some reason the people don’t want or know democracy , freedom, womensrights.

    maybe they like living like that? don’t know how to change the status quo?

    From my end i plan to give the whole region a wide berth 🙂 Told my daughter her desire to see the pyramids is to be forgotten for now 🙂 her head won’t explode if she sees it in pictures .

    W’re most converting to solar andit’s great, our cars are partially electric ( makes us feel like we do our part for the environment) and take public transport where possible…that’s it .

    If the arab spring turns into a nightmarish arab winter — well guess the people there let it. maybe that’s what they want.

  5. radha, on November 30, 2011 at 5:29 pm said: Sometimes i think dictatorship is what that place needs . For some reason the people don’t want or know democracy, freedom, womens rights. maybe they like living like that? don’t know how to change the status quo?

    I agree! I have always believed that “islam” is incompatible with “DEMOCRACY”; however many times muslims use taquia to deny it.

    And everyone wants to pretend the imposition of Sharia that is following each revolution won’t be a problem, and could even be an improvement. After all, there’s promise after promise of “moderate” Islamic governance. One consistent trait that betrays the outwardly friendly face of the revolutions is the antisemitic rhetoric that has accompanied them.

    There is another truth that shouldn’t be denied. The desire of Arabs to be free of their spiteful and pitiless dictators is sometimes expressed in grotesquely anti-Jewish terms …..

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-29/praise-arab-spring-except-for-anti-semitism-jeffrey-goldberg.html

  6. @radha – ‘If the arab spring turns into a nightmarish arab winter — well guess the people there let it. maybe that’s what they want.’

    That’s what I say. Any problems they have are because THEY allow it.

  7. As someone who played a role in speeding news to help free Egypt I feel sad that the direction their democracy is going. If its truly what the people I then good for them. However with the Muslim brotherhood gaining the majority I sincerely hope they will not make Egypt into another ksa or iran. Turkey should be more their role model imo. Edrogan has turned Turkey a bit more to my liking but Turkey still had a strong democracy and a modern state. Women’s rights are upheld. It has a good record of being the most modern of all “Islamic” state and until recently good relations with the international community.

    I think Egypt is going to be hurting when the Muslim Brotherhood take over as Egypt relies heavily on tourism and American aid. Tourism ha d already been hurt

  8. The only thing i feel bad about in egypt is if they were to become like ksa and say no singlewomen, all covered etc., and restrict access to the pyramids. I feel like the pyramids belong to the world although revenue belongs to egeypt, it is a very site in our processing of civilizations. I’d hate to see it go the ksa way, imagine abaya clad ,male escorted women viewing the pyramids !!!!
    oh god what will bolywood do for all their song sequences 🙂

  9. Radha, if Egypt would go the way of KSA they would bulldoze the pyramids, forget about world heritage: they are pagan!
    Down with the idols!
    As tourism is the main source of income of Egypt they will keep it going I am sure.

  10. If the Muslim Brotherhood did anything to the pyramids they are dumb. Egypt has already seen a decrease in tourism and that hurts their economy. Unlike KSA Egypt does not have the bargaining power of oil and money. It NEEDS to play nice with the international community and the US particularly since we give Egypt BILLIONS of dollars in aid. So either the Muslim Brotherhood plays nice it they risk a return to a third world country. They have.been trying to show the world they are not going to turn Taliban but it remains to be seen how fundamental they will become. I expect sharia law will be making a come back in that area. Sad since governments that base thirty rule sharia are horrible with human rights. But it looks like Egyptians have given
    the MB the majority i hope they are going to be happy with that choice.

  11. hey MB was voted in by the people for the people i don’t think the people in egypt have any cause to complain about their Future path the country is going, if they want sharia, so be it.

  12. I think it is time for the Islamists to show they true colors and then succeed or fail. The Iranian revolution has not been a great success.

    I do feel a bit sorry for the Copts, they haven’t been faring well.

  13. Coptic Christians do have a lot to fear in my opinion. They are already treated as second class citizens. I wonder how they will fair under MB rule. Probably as well as Christians in Iran and Pakistan. Makes me sad. I still remember the hope Egyptians felt when they were freed from tyrany. Now they have changed on cage for another imo. I would hate to see Egypt turn into another haven for terrorists. Considering Bin Laden’s second in command was MB I bet it will be. If that becomes the case I hope America stops giving Egypt aid. Egyptians have chosen now they will have to live with that choice.

  14. I hope the Islamists will show us how beautiful and tolerant their religion is, once and for all!

  15. @ Aafke-Art,

    I actually read where one of the muslim brotherhood stated they would bury the pyramids, for others put wax around the symbols and have no tourism. They would implement rules similar to Saud.

    If the muslim brotherhood gets in, they will have morality police enforcing everything immediately and tourism tanks to nil. Welcome to the Egyptian prison.

  16. Yo Hindi:

    How many Shia generals? Ministers? Diplomats? Police chiefs? Mayors? How many have important positions in armed services or security forces? How many Shia girl schools have Shia principals?

    Get off the Wahabi Koolaid. It’s common knowledge that Wahabi Sunnis see Shia as “not real Muslims”, heretics and Iranian agents. In fact, most Shia protests are written off as “foreign interference” – code for Iran – to obfuscate the real reasons for protest, which are simply political and economic marginalization.

  17. Oh, hello, Hindi. I missed your comment to me earlier. Yes,maybe I’ll go to Saudi one day and see for myself. My friend Wafa’ lives in Medina and she has confirmed to me that Shias aren’t always treated nicely, but maybe she is wrong or that’s just her experience.

    The book I read talked about an Islamic university that used a textbook that debated such things as whether or not Shiites have tails. But, again, this was the ’80s. I’m sure KSA has progressed since then. 🙂

  18. As for why I like to read about Saudi…well, my friend is Arab and he got me interested in his culture and religion so I started reading blogs. American Bedu was one of the ones recommended by WordPress so I started reading it and others and I like reading books about various countries so that’s how I came to read this particular book I referenced above. I have read about some African countries as well, but I don’t visit blogs concerning them so much.

  19. Im happy to see muslims around the world e.g.: tunisia/morocco and inshallah egypt choosing more religious factions. I think muslims are becoming more aware of their religion and hopefully this will continue to be mirrored in more countries. Islam is on the rise and no one can deny it.

  20. I’m from Qatif and I’m always afraid the next casualty’s name will be one that I recognize.

  21. @Bella – ‘Islam is on the rise and no one can deny it’

    YEAH for Islam!! Let me know when it gets up a just a little bit higher and I’ll be THERE! 🙂 😀 🙂 😀

  22. ahahahhaha… i had to read it like 3 times over to get the joke though but it was funny lol

  23. I am glad that all over the world A-theism is rising. I am looking forward to a time when being religious is perfectly fine, but embarrassing to bandy it about too much. When politicians have to keep quiet about their religious choices in order to be elected.
    When the archaic, immoral tenets of religions are kept out of constitutions and laws the world will be a far better place.

  24. @Bella
    People around the world are voting for whoever promises them jobs, safety and dignity, and looks like they are able to make it happen. It doesn’t matter if this is a religious faction or a Satan’s fan club party.

  25. It doesn’t matter if this is a religious faction or a Satan’s fan club party.
    Woehahahahahaaaaaa!
    But soo true!
    People around the world are voting for whoever promises them jobs, safety and dignity
    So true. However, that would make it pretty stupid for women to vote for the MB.
    But alas, after women like Palin and Bachmann have been all over the media, I cannot claim superior intelligence for women anymore, I hate to admit it, but there really are some pretty stupid women around.

  26. @Aafke-Art

    What happens to women’s brain on religion.

    Palin and Bachmann:

    Get the picture.

    Shake head sad, they could have been contenders.

  27. The whole idea of religion is to take faith which is natural and innate in all of us. We have faith in each other, faith that the sun will come up, faith that one day we will day, faith in find love, faith in having children, faith in having happiness, faith in humanity, faith in god. None of this faith is bound it is just humanity. Faith is an act of humanity. Faith is instinctive within the human race. Our faith when allowed to be naturally human is the purest faith.

    Religion is the rules that bind faith. Religion is not faith. Religion is a control doctrine which inhibits our natural faith. It uses our faith in that which is greater and purer to sullen it.

    That is religion.

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