Saudi Arabia: Why Should WE Like Arabs?

Some of us may not know any Arabs and form their impression on what they read or see in the media.

I think Carl Medearis sums up well why we should like Arabs.  I encourage everyone to read this link and then share their impressions and opinions on the words of Carl Medearis.

Carl Medearis is dedicated to building bridges among faiths and especially bridges between Muslims and non-Muslims.

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47 Responses

  1. Oh this looks familiar! 🙂 Thanks for sharing Carl’s top reasons for liking Arabs. Great list!

  2. Pretty stupid little essay. It has the depth of a raindrop on a hot Phoenix sidewalk. As to the 10 points, I could easily say the exact same things about 20 other cultures.

    I read a few postings on Mr Medearis’s blog and it is pure 100% feel good everything is great and lets sing kumbayah. Maybe the world needs people like him but I think he is more part of the problem (what problem?) then the solution.

    I am sure that Arabs/Muslims can be very agreeable / hospitable folks, as long as you don’t bring up certain issues. I am also sure that many Arabs / Muslims get a bad rap because of that others do.

  3. I could refute several of his generalities but there is no point. Arabs are like anyone else in the world. Not all bad and not all good.

    One thing they do have which really stands out…is a sensitivity that is almost akin to walking through a mine field. Step on their toes about anything they consider personal and be ready to be cut out of their lives at the flip of a dime…for the remainder of your relationship with them…if you have one (like family or whatever) they will treat you as if you do not exist….and they are very very good at that. Family/friend reconciliations…letting bygones be bygones…is something I never watched happen with any sort of regularity while there.

    In other words…they find it very hard to just get over it and move on.

  4. I don’t care for the title of his book, “Tea with Hezbollah: Sitting at the Enemies Table Our Journey Through the Middle East”; I find the description, “enemies” encourages discrimination and support for the war/s abroad. Furthermore, when we view the people from Muslim majority countries as the enemy, we continue to find it easy to keep up barriers and to justify psychologically and practically the murders taking place there. Hence, that thinking translates to normal, everyday life here. Just my thoughts.

  5. These guys are really not on top of my list right now. I spent christmas day working and was resting my weary legs for 10min ,minding my own business and drinking my tea when yet another idiotic woman ( yeah i’m pissed) came to me to pour out her woes and ask advise, this one is pregnant by yet another useless saudi, they love each other but he ‘s scared to tell his parents and will never be happy in a saudi wife but is going ahead ( i assume – who knows) .
    Apprently not afraid to have sex and leave babies litered around but v afraid of mommy…

    at which point i’d had enough, it’s not like i’m a world authority on saudis.. I’m not even married to a full saudi and neither was i a stupid idiot who sleeps around without protection and trusts everything that comes out of some man’s mouth.

    so i rudely interupted her , told her she was nurse hence has access to birth control which sje should have been using and told her to go to 4th floor and see pshych for low self esteem issues. that’s it. no mmore counselling atleast from me.

    I mean wht’s wrong with women here ? i have sympathy for women who are stuck in saudi and cannot leave lest their kids are held from them and tolerate abusive husbands.. why are independent supposedly intelligent free young women falling for this crap, is it a need to be loved/accepted.. or what… I’m too tired , and back for another shift and thankfuly it’s quiet, but i’ve pretty much lost respect for any and all saudi boys , ( sad .

  6. Quite frankly he is promoting religion and maybe a book nothing more. As long as he does this it will result in someone being oppressed, subjugated, deceived, hated, tortured, etc. Relgion will never reconcile itself with another religion. It is designed to divide, to create havoc, to create hatred, to create deception, to put humanity on the level of less than an animal. It has never and will never create peace. I also don’t like how he portrays Arabs as muslims. They are separate. I have no problems with Arabs. I have a problem with religion. Cultures can learn from each other but they would be able to do a better job of it without an ancient backwards make believe hate filled ideology in the way.

  7. While I am glad that the “Top 10” list promotes positive cross-cultural interaction, there are HUGE differences in culture between various tribes and countries. Having dated men from two “Arab” countries and been friends with people from a long list of Arab countries, just because two people speak “Arabic” doesn’t mean that their culture is the same, they have a similar genetic background, or that they can even speak with each other in Arabic (unless they are using Modern Standard Arabic).

    Saudi culture is significantly different than some of the other Arabic speaking countries and is not my favorite culture based on what I know though I don’t personally dislike it. It’s just not the one I feel most comfortable in.

    @radha,
    ” why are independent supposedly intelligent free young women falling for this crap, is it a need to be loved/accepted.. or what”

    I honestly believe it’s either low self-esteem issues, they don’t really care, or they believe the guy will choose them over his family if it comes down to it because they’re “in love” (whether or not it happens) because that’s what typically happens in the U.S.

    Maybe the women seek advice from you because they see you as a role model- not just because you are married to a Saudi.

    Please do not lose hope on all Saudi boys. I could introduce you to at least two that I know personally who are good, decent Muslim men. Maybe it’s only 10% of the ones I’ve met, but still…

  8. And the 10% could be closer to 30% but I will only speak for the ones I know well.

  9. @bigstick: ^this, just this! *nods*

  10. In the topic : Saudi Arabia: Why Should WE Like Arabs?

    In the comments: Saudi Arabia: Why Should WE hate Arabs?

  11. I don’t like or dislike anyone based on ethnicity (I hope). Some of the best people I know are Saudi men- and so are some of the worst. I wouldn’t generalize in either direction.

    @Radha,
    What you described also happens all the time with non-Saudi men in the US (though of course it’s more complicated when cross-cultural etc). I am more concerned with all these women/girls that have such low self-esteem. I think a lot of them are hoping to find the right guy and be taken care of- so they buy into all kinds of fantasies of “true love” and being “rescued” etc.

    I think they also misread what they observe in happy couples. They see a happy, satisfied woman and they think she is that way because she has a good man in her life. Odds are she was also a happy, satisfied woman before she had a good man. In fact, being happy and satisfied is what drew a good man to her. Being weak and needy doesn’t usually attract prime relationship/marriage material. I wish I could drill this through some young heads I know- but what do I know???

  12. Radha, good rant! 😉

    Sandy, I think you are right on all your points.

    Never mind the father issue, why don’t women use birth control anymore? If you have sex you should use condoms, not only to prevent babies, but also to prevent std’s.
    In my country we have a lot of advertisement and commercials promoting safe and responsible sex, but I have never seen anything like that in America. Is this irresponsibility in behavior a result of non-information?
    But a nurse… if even a nurse doesn’t know about safe sex…. seems pretty hopeless…

    About why we should love Arabs, here’s my list:
    – They are very open to humans, and once you have established a good relationship you have a mate for life
    – They never get tired, they have the most exceptional endurance
    – They are so incredibly beautiful, clean limbs, elegant shape, their hair is soft, they have beautiful noses and ears,
    – They have large, deep, dark eyes, you loose yourself in them
    – They are super intelligent, and very easy to teach
    – They are always willing to please you
    – They have perfect feet
    – They don’t need shoes, don’t need much food, are very tough, so actually quite cheap to keep
    – They always have their own opinion, which I find very amusing

    A true Arab is not for everybody, but if it clicks you will have the most wonderful relationship and lots of fun!

    My Arab is absolutely adorable: we go out a lot, usually do the same walks but there’s always the danger lurking behind our outings to give spice to life.
    If I don’t pay him enough attention he makes sure I remember him by calling me in his beautiful deep voice, and it’s so funny, he tries to order me about!
    He is always happy to get food, and really attacks his dinner, but always thanks me inbetween munching by pressing his nose against my arm.
    He has a big nose btw, but beautifully shaped, when he’s working the nostrils become very large. My Arab has so much energy, sometimes it scares me a bit, he’s like a bomb ready to explode! If he’s ready to go off he even growls, like a dragon!
    And sometimes he’s too lazy to get up, even late in the morning! And then we just chill and I lean against him and we enjoy the morning and being together.

  13. Aafke, haha…I was reading your list and going “huh?” and then I saw the picture and it all makes sense! 😀

  14. yes racist comments are allowed on this blog!!

  15. I think the 10 points are correct in general. All people have good and bad points.

  16. susanne, I have been out with my Arab and my Alsatian all afternoon!

  17. @ana.hindi – i can’t see anything racist, just diff people’s opinion on if they like or dislike arabs…

    I’m sure if someone created a list on 10 best things about Indians, they’ll be scores of people not liking the list either…

  18. @sandy – you are correct, i know that t happens with men from the west too, but somehow it’s like the women expect that behavior and protect themselves.. for some reason dating a saudi they get taken in. i don’t know how to explain it.

    I don’t come in contact with many saudi’s, maybe 2 to 3 every 3 months at the most , and every one of them this past year – EVERY SINGLE ONE has had relationships with white women and dumped them when it was time to go. They have lied to them and dumped them, thankfully only 1 is pregnant, but still why this high percentage of bad apples in this crop? are they feeding off one another? and there are saudi girls in this group ( only 2) but they steer clear of them. these girls seem to know the boys are playing yet seem hesitant to tell the said girls.. i don’t know makes my head spin.

    i don’t understand too why this crop of young women seem to have self-esteem issues if that’s what it is. – is it the scary economy ??? i don’t know but this is surely not the path to true love or a happy future . that much i know.

  19. carol – I’m tired of sending them your way for counselling 🙂 I know you are struggling with recovery andso i try to keep them off you

  20. @radhs – ‘so i rudely interupted her , told her she was nurse hence has access to birth control which sje should have been using and told her to go to 4th floor and see pshych for low self esteem issues. that’s it. no mmore counselling atleast from me’

    WTG!!!

    @jay – ‘Pretty stupid little essay. It has the depth of a raindrop on a hot Phoenix sidewalk’

    Ditto!

    @Sandy- ‘I don’t like or dislike anyone based on ethnicity ‘

    Neither do I and I have to admit that I didn’t like his ‘list’ even before I read it. 🙂

  21. I think the women who have found themselves pregnant by a Saudi were perhaps secretly hoping to become pregnant. Let’s face it, birth control is widely available in the USA and nurses do know all the risks of unprotected sex.

    Yet women can become starry eyed so that in a way they become fixated on wanting marriage to the Saudi…he speaks to her with such words as ‘love of my life’ or ‘you’ll be my future wife’ that she chooses to throw caution to the wind.

    The guys are not blameless but neither are the women.

  22. @Sandy,
    “I don’t like or dislike anyone based on ethnicity (I hope). Some of the best people I know are Saudi men- and so are some of the worst. I wouldn’t generalize in either direction.”

    Agreed! I probably shouldn’t have generalized as much with the “10%/30%” thing, but I wasn’t thinking clearly. Sorry Saudi guys!

    I believe most of them are just average men who grew up in their home culture. Many wanted to go back home after they finished their studies not just because they wanted to be with their family, but also because they felt more comfortable there. The two Saudi guys I mentioned knowing are really sweet, honest, caring guys (which is not something I would have even said about the one I dated in England). One of them is open to dating/potentially marrying a foreign bride; the other I’m not sure about.

    @AB,
    “I think the women who have found themselves pregnant by a Saudi were perhaps secretly hoping to become pregnant. Let’s face it, birth control is widely available in the USA and nurses do know all the risks of unprotected sex.”

    I agree. I was seriously considering adoption (after getting a good, stable job within the next two years) before meeting my current significant other. Now, I am going to wait at least a year or two before thinking about children again.

    If I had less respect for the Saudi guy I dated in England, I would have tried to get pregnant by him. However, then I would have been mostly using him as a tool to get pregnant which is wrong morally IMO, and I would also like to one day provide a loving home to children who are without one (i.e. adoption).

    “Yet women can become starry eyed so that in a way they become fixated on wanting marriage to the Saudi…he speaks to her with such words as ‘love of my life’ or ‘you’ll be my future wife’ that she chooses to throw caution to the wind.”

    I took a chance with my Saudi ex because he was there for me as a good friend right when I was going through a difficult time just after I was sexually assaulted (not raped, thankfully). He also happened to be really cute. Now, I just hope I never see him again.

    The current Arab man I am dating I love with all my heart and know without a doubt I want to spend the rest of my life with. I’m fairly certain he feels the same way. Then again, with my current one, I met his family within 2 weeks of meeting him. He made it a point to meet as many of my relatives and friends as possible, and wants me to meet all of his.

    I never did meet my Saudi ex’s family, although his brother seemed like a decent person (or at least more decent than my ex).

    “The guys are not blameless but neither are the women.”
    I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. I can’t imagine why someone would want to have a baby right in the middle of a nursing internship!!! there’s a time and place for everything.

    IMO raising a baby atleast for the first yr or so is so intensive and hands on that it’s not very compatible with internship of any sort, especially if you are alone without a partner..
    you are on 12+hr rotation, thenyou have to eat ,sleep and study, where in the world will you get time to be with the baby , alternately you could dump your internship, raise the baby and try to come back ,but then don’t whine when your peers are ahead.

    There are plenty of interns who are pregnant but most have a solid partnership/family backing them and yet i can see the strain on their faces, the guilt, the stress and i can certainly see their grades tanking.. oh well to each her own i guess..

  24. My Saudi didn’t give me any of these soft-sounding mesmerizing kinds of talk. He told me about how I probably wouldn’t like it- that it would be difficult for me, that family relationships would be important and that he’d do what he could to help me- but that I probably would find it very difficult and maybe I should rethink it. Not so romantic but I have to say he told the truth. And over time, there’s not anything much more romantic than the truth!

  25. So you want to build bridge between you and MUSLIMS,
    that is between christians and muslims,right? so why saudi
    Arabs,are they muslims? it means you know very little about
    them. Let me pose a question.Just suppose Jesus Christ had a
    family and there was a group of his followers ,that is Christians
    and a section from them, massacred his entire family after his
    death. Do you still call them Christian who inhalated his entire
    family .Saudi So called muslims are such , want a proof, i give
    you a pictorial, a recent one, not narrations of that period .Can
    you believe, Ashura a day of joy and pleasure, this is the day of
    martyrdom of Prophet of Islam’s grandson with his entire family.
    And they revere their killers and injure or kill the mourners ,
    They have demolished their graves and mausoleums which
    falls in their territory.Doyou still want to build a bridge between
    these beasts & christians . Forget the idea or do at your peril.

  26. Sorry the picture do not transfer but the slogan on the hoarding reads.
    ASHURA A DAY OF JOY AND PLEASURE

  27. Sandy, Cool! There’s not anything more romantic than the truth!

  28. @Sandy – It sounds like you have a great Saudi! Did the two of you meet at University? My late husband and I met when we were both older and he too, told me exactly what to expect in KSA plus I was also familiar with the region.

    @Zuheir Hussain – I do not judge sweeping groups. I have Saudi family who are Muslims and I have American family who are Christians. It is possible for the two to co-exist well and have good strong relationships. Individuals need to be looked at for the person they are; not pre-judge by faith.

  29. Zuheir – I take it you are shia – just a wild guess.

    Why not let bygones be bygones? After all, it has been hundreds of years. Would your martyr have wanted this continual bloodshed?

    jay

    PS: By the way, the word ‘martyr’ has very different meaning to Christians and Muslims. Under no circumstances would Hussain be called a ‘martyr’ in the Christian tradition. After all, it was a battle at Kabala, even if lop-sided.

  30. you folks got pregggy by a saudi ..I want to make some saudi preggy 😉

  31. Yet women can become starry eyed so that in a way they become fixated on wanting marriage to the Saudi…he speaks to her with such words as ‘love of my life’ or ‘you’ll be my future wife’ that she chooses to throw caution to the wind.

    as if white women are always looking for a marriage and are so innocent that they fall for any thing man says? doesnt she know its ultimately she who will become preggy? ..they just get preggy knowingly and live on child benefits !!

    “The guys are not blameless but neither are the women.
    I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    If neither are to be blamed? then its no sin to become preggy . Why rant here saying guy made me preggy?

  32. The avatar Goddess in her infinite wisdom has blessed Ana Hindi with a look that matches the quality of his comments on this blog!!!

    Or am I the only one to notice 😉

  33. @MoQ – ‘The avatar Goddess in her infinite wisdom has blessed Ana Hindi with a look that matches the quality of his comments on this blog!!!’

    Just can’t help yourself, eh?

  34. @MoQ,
    I have totally noticed this- and it adds an extra layer of both “eewww” and “lol” to every comment he makes 🙂

  35. @Lynn,

    Nope!

  36. since when the blind are noticing?

  37. Liar sandy , i never say eww open your eyes and read ..well wear your glasses first!!

  38. @ana.hindi
    You didn’t understand my comment. I would have explained if you asked- but instead you called me a liar- when I am not.

    Nevermind. I’m sure everyone else understood.

  39. “Nevermind. I’m sure everyone else understood.”

    Shhhhhh, it’s a secret everyone do not tell him…

    LMAO

  40. @MoQ
    It’s almost as if you’d read my mind on this issue!

  41. ana.hindi said *Liar sandy , i never say eww open your eyes and read ..well wear your glasses first!!*
    Well, Sandy, I suggest you forget about the glasses and use a gas mask instead.

    Isn’t it amazing? Apparently WordPress has this humongous computer with AI who designates every commentator on the blogs with the perfect avatar.

  42. @Aafke and MoQ,
    I’m thinking it’s divine intervention! WordPress will make believers out of you yet!

  43. I do believe: I am a Pastafarian.. It is once again clear that we, who have been touched by his noodly appendage will see where others are blind!
    :mrgreen:

  44. Noodly appendage?

    yuck. I would say the Rafapastarians need serious help with their theology. Rather than stringy prolongations, I would recommend the tried and true ancient science of isolating body thetans left by Xenu to torment humans. Now that is a religion.

  45. @Ana Hindi,

    I do not understand your comments.

    First off, I don’t consider pregnancy a sin in any case. I consider it more a fact of life and part of the procreation process.

    I believe the point I was agreeing with was that it takes two people, more or less, to create a child. Both parties are NOT blameless; they ARE responsible.

    I’ve never been pregnant, and if I become pregnant in the future -God willing- it will be with my current life partner who is not Saudi.

    Secondly, one can’t just use pregnancy as an excuse to continually live off the government and the country’s hard-working people here in the US, although benefits are provided for women through various government programs so the woman can afford to eat, have medical care, etc. while pregnant. The US system is quite a bit different from other “Western” countries.

    Thirdly, I do not appreciate your racist and bigoted comments aimed at “white women”.

    I am hoping I interpreted your comments correctly?

  46. I love arabs. The arabs are rich in culture and traditions. The arabs are the middle between the west and east. The arabs are the beginning of the humanity history.

  47. MoQ, on December 29, 2011 at 5:20 am said:

    The avatar Goddess in her infinite wisdom has blessed Ana Hindi with a look that matches the quality of his comments on this blog!!!

    Or am I the only one to notice 😉

    yes name calling and etc is perfectly allowed on this blog!!!

    Biased moderators !!!

    @Strange one

    yes becoming preggy is not a sin but sleeping with a man out of wed lock is in islam!!

    “I’ve never been pregnant, and if I become pregnant in the future -God willing- it will be with my current life partner who is not Saudi. ”

    All the best !! may you become a mother soon insha allah 🙂

    NO , I was not being racist I was just saying the culture in the west .

    I read a survey where they found women in west on an average have 8 sexual partners .Thats what i found and most in met on line have kids and rea divorced or never married but sleot with their boyfriend and live on benefits. But again thses could be few .

    Well when people were being racists against arabs then no one said any thing earlier.

    I love Nathalie Morin ..lol

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