Saudi Arabia: CIA Agent Exposes How Al-Qaeda Doesn’t Exist

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  1. First, I rather agree with the “ex-CIA agent” (actually, he seems to have been senior management of a section, which is NOT an agent) on the causes of radical Islamic groups rise with anti-US emphasis. I’ll even buy in on presence on the Arabian peninsula, though the majority of the populace doesn’t really care either way, the minority exists that doesn’t want foreign forces on their soil.
    Of note is the false claim that the US “wants” democracy to be global, that is utterly disproved by US actions of many decades. The US wants US friendly governments, of ANY sort, NOT democracies. Otherwise, kindly explain Operation Ajax (I could mention others, but only on SIPR or JWICS, NOT the internet, as I don’t want to have the next cell over from Manning.
    I also find he remarks so openly on subjects that still remain TS/SCI/alphabet soup in remarks on Iran. I’ll not comment on them for the above reasons.
    I’ll say only this: There ain’t no saints in the world, but plenty of sinners. Of the groups, the US is a pure angel, you can tell by the halo being held perfectly in place by the horns. 😉
    As for this being a “religious war”, not quite. We’re fighting an ideological war, those who attack us simply want the US to leave their country alone. Right and wrong has little to do with anything, as it’s purely a battle of people who want power, both the US leadership and the “stinkers” leadership.
    This sounds more like some anti-Israeli lobbying efforts, which strayed a bit off course. Frankly, *I* would love for the US to distance itself from Israel, as Israel is quite far from being interested in US interests and tends to be a trouble magnet for any nation that is associated with it.
    I’ll only consider his words if I find that he was hauled in for debriefing over the mention of Iranian TTP.

  2. Two things I agree with here. One is Israel is not our friend and they have repeatedly demonstrated this action. Next, the Saudi’s are not our friends and they have repeatedly demonstrated this action. The sooner we drop kick both of them as allies the better off we will be.

    I am so sick of Israel and their crap and their lies that I continually wonder why the US trusts anyone who has an interest in Israel on what they say. In fact, when someone with an interest in Israel speaks expect the opposite to be true. The black flag operation comes to mind and the deception that is Israel.

    That said, the US politicians are like a group of idiots bumping around in the dark stepping on toes constantly and are too trusting of allies who are actually enemies of this country to include Israel.

  3. Americans are brainwashed to believe that Israel can do no wrong. And it supposedly carries the word of God behind it. Personally, I am sick of it.

  4. Interesting thoughts. I am especially intrigued by the idea that this is,indeed, a religious war. I hear that from time to time, but then the idea is dismissed from others as fearmongering. I’m curious what Muslims think about that. IS IT a religious thing for most of them? IS IT some holy war? Is that what this guy meant? And why should we then acknowledge it and then “defeat” it? (see around the 8:45 mark). Or is he talking about defeating Al Qaeda which he claims doesn’t even exist?

  5. There is a large difference between the thing of west and that of Islamic countries.America only watch its benefits and if we see about Al-Qaida ,it is very controversial talk,either it exist or not,and if it is then is it terrorist party or not?but finally Europe is not friend of Islamic countries,they do better with them only for their own benefits.

  6. To paraphrase Samuel Huntington (Clash of Civilizations & Remaking of World Order, 1996):

    CIVILIZATION IDENTITY will be increasingly important in the future, and the world will be shaped in large measure by the interactions among seven or eight major civilizations. These include Western, Confucian, Japanese, Islamic, Hindu, Slavic-Orthodox, Latin American and possibly African civilization. The most important conflicts of the future will occur along the religious/cultural fault lines separating these civilizations from one another … primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world.

    http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/d_huntington.html

    Couple of other insightful books/articles related to this topic:

    The End of History and the Last Man, Francis Fukuyama (1992)

    The Roots of Muslim Rage, Bernard Lewis (Atlantic Monthly /Sept ’90)

  7. Interesting interview for sure! Canada is backing Israel and the Zionists and it is very distressing to me to see how Canadians have been brainwashed about Israel also.

  8. Overseas:

    Like the middle eastern countries don’t want to benefit from the US, pleassssssssse. Pakistan took milliions from the US while hiding Bin Laden and used the US the whole time. I personally think it was a scam to begin with starting with Saudi want the destablization the area so that they can become the power brokers for Islam (Fantasy Crapola). Afghanistan was actually invaded by Saudi’s foot soldiers the Taliban.

    As far as Islamist are concerned they don’t care about the west or human rights even their own.

    Susanne:

    I have heard it is a religous war as well. Hope they all lose.

  9. I’ll respectfully disagree on some of your views, Bigstick.

    The US/Pakistan relationship goes back to beyond the Cold War era. The relationship had always been a win-win for each and not to shock you, but neither side was always “true” to the agreements in place. Some could say that the US has always used Pakistan (for a price) then pulled out when there was no longer a need for assistance. See ‘Charlie Wilson’s War.’

    Some even credit the U.S with the creation of the Taliban since the Taliban was created during the Soviet/Afghan war. This was back when Taliban were better known as ‘freedom fighters’ and Saudis and other Arabs came to help their brothers against the Soviet invasion.

  10. Well, sure we created the Taliban, and the American mistake was to not help the Afghans recover from the genocide the Russians put them through. It is inexcusable, actually.

  11. I think Scheuer’s idea are weakened by the need to fit it into such a short video. For example, I don’t think Israel has much to do with hatred of the US in Pakistan. Pakistan has been fomenting Jihadist ideas for generations as a way to keep its neighbors unstable.

    As far as the Israel lobby goes that too is an exaggeration. US antipathy towards the Palestinians is a product of many actions done mostly by Palestinians that I am sure they felt were justified, but it all guaranteed that nobody in the US would ever feel sorry for them. I remember various Palestinian airline hijackings of civilian aircraft and other forms of transportations. The stupid Palestinians always made sure the Jews who were Israelis were badly treated. Remember the murder of Leon Klinghoffer. There is no need to hire a Jewish lobby to get other US citizens to hate the murderers of their neighbors.

  12. I have to agree with Carol, op cyclone did lay the foundations for the Taliban and al Qaeda, however some of the agents involved had advised me that THEY had advised Carter “They hate the Russians and they hate us, they only hate the Russians a little bit more currently. After this conflict has concluded, they should be eliminated, lest they eventually attack the US and US interests”.
    Carter had tersely responded that “We don’t do business that way” and the suggestion was shelved, never to be raised again when Reagan took office.
    Had the senior mujhideen been eliminated after the Soviet withdrawl, 9-11 would not have happened, as there would have been no Taliban or al Qaeda.

    This is as much a holy war as the fourth crusade against the Byzantines and the Balkan crusade was. It’s far more a proxy war for power in the region, which masquerades to the unwashed as a religious war.
    But, what would I know? I only personally spoke with the nationals involved and tromped all over those damned mountains. I’m only STILL finding desert dust in my possessions from the Arabian peninsula. I also personally dealt with Somalis, when I was based out of Djibouti.
    If the majority of the populace were against the US, we’d have long been exterminated in those nations, as we’d be unable to field sufficient numbers of military service members and ammunition to force our way in and remain.
    There are a lot of players involved and many, many moving pieces involved as well, much is either underreported or unreported by the media, as THEY aren’t informed on many things that remain classified. Hell, it took the press two years to learn about the Taliban and Afghan government negotiating! Yet some continue to spew forth underinformed regurgitation of half-truths and incorrect information fed to them by others. When they are corrected, they denounce, rather than accept reality of those who directly interacted in an operational status and demean, rather than discuss.

  13. *Jews who were not Israelis …

  14. I can sure understand Middle Eastern Ire at the outright selfishness of the West. I don’t agree with violence in response, but when you have guys like Bush creating a need to be violent?

  15. This is the same BS which is puked out by those crazy mullahs on every Friday afternoon.

    Btw what you all are missing here is that it is this very freedom that the west and more specifically USA provides which allows any so called moronic “exCIA agent” to go on media and bash their home land by these mumbo jumbo conspiracy theories. If this moron belonged to any Arab country by now he and his family would have arrested, tortured and executed.

  16. Sam, what you fail to realize is, if he had said anything true that was classified, he WOULD be arrested and be put in solitary confinement. Probably in the cell next to Manning.
    Add to it the fact that he never said that al Qaeda doesn’t exist, only claims it isn’t the vast threat claimed, it’s all hype.

  17. AB:

    I never stated that the US didn’t have it’s uses for Pakistan. What I stated or tried to imply was that it wasn’t one-sided as Oversees inferred. However, Pakistan is a problem for the region and a strong supporter of the Taliban. They have been caught in more than one lie as well for their supposed interest and that interest may turn them into another afghanistan.

    Now, I will respectfully provide more on the matter regarding why I hold some of my views.

    http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/taliban-afghanistan/p10551

    Just remember who currently teaches in their school books about kiling infidels and that Jews are pigs/dogs……..Saudi Arabia and supposedly it will take three or more years to take out this religious infidel hatred. So not buying that Saudi isn’t a problem to others even their neighbors and other muslims.

  18. bigstick, the Saudis sent men to Afghanistan to educate the Taliban, they left, as their lives were threatned. The Taliban didn’t want their people educated in anything different than what they taught, they’d lose power if that happened.
    For Pakistan, you can look squarely at Iran’s meddling, an attempt to expand their influence in the region. They also sponsored most of the insurgant activities in Iraq and Afghanistan, two fold in those cases, expansion of influence AND “keeping the US busy”.
    Does Saudi have issues? Most certainly, the ones who WRITE those books against Jews and infidels are the same ones who put the Saud family in power. Indeed, King Khalid ended up sending the Saudi army into Mecca to remove their decendants, after they had seized the grand mosque.
    That element has never been completely neutralized, so that is a major consideration for the rulers of Saudi.
    And that is only ONE of the flies in the ointment there, there are quite a few flies in that ointment (indeed, one could liken that “ointment” with something far less savory)…
    The history, politics and social environment is highly complex in SW Asia, to put it mildly. There are scholars who have spent a sizable amount of their lives in study on the region and STILL can’t predict what may happen next.
    My prediction is, the hold of the zanies will eventually decay. Like an onion, it typically decays from the outside in.
    Which explains why Qatar now permits pork (they’ve permitted alcohol for decades) and why other nations in the region are doing similar things.
    But, in social change, things move slowly and highly unevenly. Change too much too soon and you end up with a tea party…

  19. Wzrd1:

    It still does not diminish the situation that I have outlined. They (saudi) still fund as well as harbor this faction. Instead of dealing with the faction it is avoiding it or ensuring the next generation to be brought up with the unsavory and hate ideology which in turns fuels the situation.

    However, I believe you are correct in the matter that it will decay I just think it will decay from both the inside and outside as the onslaught of the internet and media is becoming far more difficult to control. This is why you are seeing countries trying to figure out how to block websites and censor information. The problem is that technologically adept kids are great at finding all the nooks and holes in a system to by-pass there attempts at censorship.

    The biggest force against them is education and the readily available flow of information to which challenges their ideology, customs, traditions and their very way of thinking. It is hard to put the genie back in the bottle once it has been let loose.

  20. bigstick1, by your definition of funding and harboring, one can easily extend to the US harboring and funding the KKK, skinheads and anti-US militia groups.
    So, what is the solution for both the US problem and the Saudi problem?
    A massive governmental campaign of rounding up anyone who speaks ill?
    I know for a fact that the Saudis DO have an interesting habit of dropping off terrorist leaders in the empty quarter, typically not bothering to land the helicopter when they do.
    A marble prison mysteriously caught fire, killing a full prison full prison of terrorists.
    Meanwhile, we still have KKK, skinheads and anti-US militia groups walking the streets, one fo which has its leaders in prison for multiple murders.
    One can upend one’s society to clean up, but that typically only enforces the “message” of said groups.
    Or one waits for education and reforms to be gradually introduce change.
    In the US, change is more readily accepted. In other regions, change introduces instability, if enacted too quickly.
    Indeed, too rapid a change introduces instabilities here. Should we consider the equal rights changes? Gay rights changes? Changes geared toward universal health care?
    Extreme solutions generate extreme responses.
    Hence, it’s far better to make a multi-generational plan of reform.

    We agree on far too many points to disagree on methods. The problem is, one cannot change an entire society quickly, there ARE no quick fixes for such issues.
    Only slow, sustainable educational reforms.
    The overall CULTURE isn’t that bad, one educated. Indeed, hospitality is mandatory for the culture. Respect for the elderly is mandatory too.
    In those areas, they’re far more advanced that we are.
    It’s the small points where there is a difference.
    And I remember my mother telling me how she wasn’t permitted to own real property when she first was married, right here in the Philadelphia region. And I recall that Pennsylvania STILL has a blasphemy statute…
    So, w’ere not THAT far apart.

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